Grandpa, tell me bout the good ole days............

[bcp]

Some 20 or so years ago there was a guy in Fontana,Ca. buying up huge piles of used tires to be used in some new pavement formula but that fell through for some reason. I don't know what happened to all those tires or the scheme to use them in pavement.

From:
Rubber road took a wrong turn; Shredded tires that caught fire in Garfield County are hauled back to where they came from | Northwest | lmtribune.com


SPOKANE -- It sounded like the perfect solution.

State and county officials reasoned that shredding 1.4 million used tires for use in road construction would alleviate a potential fire hazard in the storage yards where they were being kept.

The tire-chip material went into a road bed near Pomeroy in Garfield County late last year.

But within weeks, it began to smolder, emitting smoke and even flames at the road surface. Removal cost millions and the shredded tires are now buried in a landfill a few miles from where they were stored before the failed experiment.

Federal highway officials have ordered a national moratorium on shredded-tire highway projects until someone can explain what went awry in Washington.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^
Almost 25 years ago, and apparently nobody has tried to answer why.

 

[user.69169]

Back in 60s couple big farm girls used to cover NY wid a 24 foot straight rack truck pickin up scrap tires. Sold em around Naples and other grape areas for smudge fires to keep grapes from freezing. Dey made good living, tires got fine viking funeral and grapes got to be wine like God intended.

Junk tires- back in 70s company called Kutreb figured out how to burn dem as fuel. Black hole in internet show nothin, but you find in Rock & Dirt and truckin magazines of era. Tires chewed into little chunks, fed into chain grate boiler and burned in combination wid coal in power plants. Second setup fer truck terminals, 40k gal buried cistern wid burner dat swallow few 1000-20 tires a day. Cistern stored hot water to heat terminal. No smoke because combustion air blown in over fire and consumed unburned fuel dat would have been smoke. Also made burner setups for asphalt plants and cement kilns.

NY Electric & Gas built Jemmison Plant to burn combo fuel and solve State's used tire problem. Set up as chain grate fire, fuel size of marbles from shredder & crusher. Passed all testing, no smoke showing, no stink.

Along comes EPA, brand new bunch of thugs wid Diplomas and no brains. Back den NY air not as clean as is today for true, but not like California either. EPA boys put STOP to any burning of tires, anyplace, any way. Never looked at what dey regulate, just regulated. Jemmison retrofitted to burn only coal, what could have been free power went up smokestack. Didn't need sanity or facts, dey had Degrees in STUPID and lifetime Government jobs wid pensions. Men who figured out how to burn went on unemployment.

Steel wire and belts in tires we got now prevent tire chunks from being used in paving, same as glass in concrete, cuts up tires.

Salmon probably croaking from getting near California.

 

[user.69169]

^^^^
Almost 25 years ago, and apparently nobody has tried to answer why.

More case of RIGHT person who makes contributions to politicians not yet got contract to tell dem why.

Sorta like VanLare sewer plant dat burns 1000 gallon of #2 oil a day to dry sludge while dey flare off millions cubic feet Methane. RIGHT engineer gotta figure out what any thinking man knows. Dey also pump estrogen heavy peewater to Sewer Ontario. Tell you solution to polution is dilution. County sucks in drinking water from same sewer mile away.

Allentown PA Penn Power put domes over sewer plant tanks, captures Methane and runs generators off it to make electric. Must have different quality of crap in Allentown and 10 other places.

Monroe County got huge blue steel Lucien Morrin Garbage plant. Just finished paying off first batch of Bonds.. Paid $10,000 for model so politicians could get pictures taken wid model. Garbage gonna go in one end, miracle machines, Inmates and welfare people pick aluminum, plastic and corrugated for sale to pay cost of picking garbage up. Millwrights who buit for Ratheon laughed all de way to bank cashing paychecks. Plant started, Inmates, Welfare people No Show. Miracle machines jammed. Ratheon said give us more money. Screwed around for years wid BFI hauling compressed garbage to dump on edge of County. Lucien Morrin took Pension and moved to Florida. Today, garbage goes in one door, gets packed for ride to dump, recycle trucks go in other side, plastic, paper, corugated and metal get dumped in different pits and bailed to be stacked up. Stack gets too high some of it goes for ride to dump, neatly bailed.

Lot of people got paid, politicians got payoffs.
It's all about somebody getting paid off!

 

[MossRoad]

The EPA actually promotes the use of tires as fuel. Tire Derived Fuel.

 

[user.69169]

Promotes is a lovely choice of word. EPA jumped on de bandwagon in 04 a year after Cemex got into de game of tire burning. Cemex systemis a modernized version of de old Kutreb system.
CEMEX burns tires for fuel to make cement in Louisville

Oddly I did some lookin around and Cemex is only one turning up wid permits to burn tires.
Bet dey bought a bunch of pollution & smoke permits from other coal plants too. Looks like about 8 0r 9 years application to light de fire.

Hunch is ain't many tire cookers on US soil and ain't likely to be soon.
Most EPA encouragement I'm findin is encouraging loading shred into containers headed to Africa and Far East.

Intresting sidebar, Cemex looks like dey planning next move burning plastic for heat like dey get from tires. Not sure how dey gonna sell dat to de Feds. Maybe set plant S of Mexican border and sell electric to California. Dat idea might should work given Cal only burns gas to make electric.

 

[Frankenkubota]

I was going to start a new thread but I guess this fits here. Grampa, tell me when it was quiet. Actually, he worked 30 years on a drop forge at buick so to him, it was always quiet.

Screaming marketing kiosks at retail establishments.

Once a month i bite the bullet, go run errands, all while running back and forth to the laundry mat. When's the last time you went to a laundry mat? It's miserable and it's expensive and cheaper and easier to buy new underwear! Get gas, diesel, groceries, lowe's, harbor freight, office store etc etc.

I should be happy we live in a place that offers those things but, i'm not, i hate it!

Walking at Walmart, spaced out, thinking about the roofers, electrician, plumber etc etc and all the sudden someone screams at me. I almost wet myself yesterday, I literally kinda jumped and thinking about that fight/flight decision.

It was one of those tv screens trying to sell me something. Scares the **** out of me every time.

Pull up to the gas pump later, and the woman that was screaming at me in walmart somehow crawled up into the gas pump and she's screaming at me again.

As a customer, i object to that practice. Guess how many people/retailers care about what i object to?

 

[MossRoad]

Promotes is a lovely choice of word. EPA jumped on de bandwagon in 04 a year after Cemex got into de game of tire burning. Cemex systemis a modernized version of de old Kutreb system.
CEMEX burns tires for fuel to make cement in Louisville

Oddly I did some lookin around and Cemex is only one turning up wid permits to burn tires.
Bet dey bought a bunch of pollution & smoke permits from other coal plants too. Looks like about 8 0r 9 years application to light de fire.

Hunch is ain't many tire cookers on US soil and ain't likely to be soon.
Most EPA encouragement I'm findin is encouraging loading shred into containers headed to Africa and Far East.

Intresting sidebar, Cemex looks like dey planning next move burning plastic for heat like dey get from tires. Not sure how dey gonna sell dat to de Feds. Maybe set plant S of Mexican border and sell electric to California. Dat idea might should work given Cal only burns gas to make electric.

I think your hunch is incorrect. Somebody in the U.S. is burning them...

In the United States in 2017, about 43% of scrap tires (1,736,340 tons or 106 million tires) were burnt as tire-derived fuel. Cement manufacturing was the largest user of TDF, at 46%, pulp and paper manufacturing used 29% and electric utilities used 25%. Another 25% of scrap tires were used to make ground rubber, 17% were disposed of in landfills and 16% had other uses.

 

[Oaktree]

I believe there's been some experimenting with mixing ground up used tires in with the asphalt. I'm not sure of the success or if anybody is still doing it, but no doubt some TBN member knows more about it than I do. :thumbsup:

Speaking of asphalt, what ever happened to plans to use old glass in in paving? From what I've read it's not cost effective to recycle (largely due to the weight & cost of transportation), but this sounded promising.

In the United States in 2017, about 43% of scrap tires (1,736,340 tons or 106 million tires) were burnt as tire-derived fuel. Cement manufacturing was the largest user of TDF, at 46%, pulp and paper manufacturing used 29% and electric utilities used 25%. Another 25% of scrap tires were used to make ground rubber, 17% were disposed of in landfills and 16% had other uses.

Strange the EPA encourages this, apparently tires generate lots of pollutants, way more than coal, oil or other fuels alone. I'm sure there are scrubbers for the smoke, and I also suppose it's the lesser evil than just burying them.

 

[JethroB]

I worked briefly for a contractor in the 70s striping roads. Painting the lines on roads. Finely ground glass or glass beads were dropped into the wet paint to make it reflective at night. It came in 50-60 lb. bags. If they are still doing that today they are skimping.