Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance

   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #31  
It would be nice to be able to put the rebar within 1 millimeter of perfection, but reality is on a residential job, walking on it, concrete coming in a hurry, youd do well just to keep it off the stone and close to the middle. :laughing:
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #32  
6 inches should be good with rebar and mesh but have the plant add commercial fiber to the mix a 7 sack mix should be good
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #33  
Here in southern California they often do 4 inches for driveways. and virtually every driveway is cracked.
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #34  
Anyone who does a 4" driveway is spending $50 to get a $10 driveway
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #35  
Everything one need's to know has already been posted but in different posts. I'm lazy and tightwad toboot so I don't pour any thicker than neccessray. I aggre that i soil and soil prep is almost as important as steel. I also agree that most concrete benifit's from perimiter beams (beams and piers in center sometimes go's a long way). If soil is expansive,a thick layer of non-expansive material is neccessary plus beams and piers deep enough to rest below fluctuations in moisture are time and money well spent. Prevent water ponding near concrete at all costs if on expansive soil and reccomended on any soil. I have lived on black clay for 50 years that opens cracks 3" wide and 4 to 8 feet deep,depending on how dry and for how long. People take it for granted their home foundation will shift, questions are how much,how often and for how long. IMO,developers and builders are 75% at fault because they don't adiquatly prep soil after dozers change grade and black soil is brought in as fill. From anywhere on this soil,it's less than 50 miles to soil much less prone to expand. I hauled over 100 yards of soil 22 miles recently to put beneath a barn I'm building. I paid for the soil and hauled it eventhough I could get all the black clay I want for free within 5 miles. By importing that soil,using 4 and 5 slump plus sinking beams and piers,nothing I've poured during the last 50 years has seriously shifted eventhough I skimped on concrete thickness on some projects.
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #36  
There are a lot of variations to pouring concrete and I haven't pour any in decades, but I was a Quality Control Inspector for a Prestress Concrete plant. As has been mentioned, alot, adding water to the mix isn't good for the strength. Also allowing a vibrator to be used to "move" concrete rather than a shovel is equally bad. Concrete mixes contain an air additive to allow the concrete to bend without breaking and when you vibrate it excessively, you loose that. (Don't mistake air entrainmnet for evaporated water).
I had a driveway poured to allow a loaded semi to drive on it, and it was spec'd out at 10 inches thick. The amount of wire and rebar in the concrete helps, but the thickness of the concrete has to be able to support the weight, or you get a cone shaped crack (wide at bottom, to a point at the top of the crack) if you look at a cross section of the concrete. The only way to change that is with thickness. I even asked the engineer to spec out the slab at 5,000 psi concrete and basically it didn't change it enough to warrant the additional cost of the batch. Thickness was the best answer.
The O/P mentioned light trucks with a semi annual propane truck rolling across it. You might get lucky, but in reality, you need to design the concrete slab for the worse case. Otherwise, you are going to have issues. If you get the propane truck across it without cracking, consider yourself lucky and got a decent job on the 6 inch slap. The fact that the propane truck is also turning while it is crossing the slab adds to the stress of the concrete. If it were me, I would consider adding an additional driveway, or widen the driveway enough (the driveway, not the slab!!) so that heavy trucks could use the driveway and not cross the slab. The little trucks are the ones rutting up your current driveway, which are causing the issues. With a wider driveway, the trucks could be directed down the unpaved section and not be an issue.
My driveway starts out at 40 feet wide (unpaved) and tapers to 10 foot wide. I have few issues with it, but if I or my neighbors have a delivery truck come down the road, my driveway is the only place to turn around a semi truck, and it becomes entertaining to watch newbies try to turn around on it. I have recently installed a 60 foot culvert on the other end of my property to add a larger driveway, but I haven't cut the trees to allow access yet. Letting the soil stabilize that I put over the culvert before I make it to where people can turn around on it. (you would be surprised at the number of people who would rather turn around on my driveway, then to use a street that turns off only another 50 feet further.
My suggestion, as far as the apron area, is to go with at least 6 inches, but if you want to drive a propane truck across it, go even thicker or don't be upset when the spring after he drives on it, that it shows cracks. You probably won't see them when the propane truck drives across it, but they will show up after a freezing winter.
David from jax
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #37  
I have a neighbor who has replaced his apron entering his driveway off of the road 4 times in the 30 years I have lived here, I do not know for sure the reason the first time replacement as I was new here then , but the next three times he has replaced it the slab is a 4 inch slab, and almost immediately the slab begins to crack.

The slab lays over a 12 inch culvert and within 3-4 years the slab is in a dozen pieces and some of the pieces begin to move.

Not sure if he is going to learn his lesson the next time or not, I tried explaining to him the issue 20 years ago, and he just did the same thing again, so if he has money to throw away, I have enough humor to laugh at him.

I helped another neighbor pour his driveway, I talked him into 6" slab with steel, and good series of control joints.
He has one 8" crack where a part of a curve slab comes to a point, we both knew better at the time when we were pouring but let it slide, otherwise no failures in that 30,000 sq ft of concrete
 
   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #38  
I will be paving a 75' × 10' gate entrance to my property next month, so this thread on concrete and best recommendations for strength was very timely. Originally I was going with 6" thickness and have now increased to 9" thickness to insure it will handle high loads from delivery trucks up to 60,000 lbs.

I also had some time today and took some photos of Texas DOT laying down the new concrete for the I-35 corridor. Its been curing now for 3 weeks and was able to get in and take photos today.

It appears to have 5 feet of compacted select fill, with 5" asphalt on top of the fill, with 14" inches of concrete and a double layer of 1" rebar is placed directly in the middle from 6" to 10" and with 4" concrete over the rebar. Reports are this can handle 120,000lb loads. Thats a lot of steel in this interstate highway.

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   / Concrete thickness for gravel driveway entrance #39  
Thanks for the feedback, gents.

The ground is well packed and well drained. I put in a message into the county, asking for their requirements. They let me know they will make an appointment and come out to inspect and comment.

I'm not planning on going any thinner than 6". I had planned on laying in wire. I'll consider rebar as well.

Be certain to use "chairs with" either mesh or rebar, if not, your steel will wind up at the very bottom of the slab, and provide zero reinforcement.
 
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