Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors.

   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #31  
Unless your working in a barn or neighborhood. I would go 40-50hp min. I got my 50hp tractor for 1/3 of my buddies 25hp mahindra. Granted its all used. I can literally lift his tractor in my.bucket. when it comes to clearing trees and junk, I never once wish I had less.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #32  
When I started looking at new compacts with a hydro trans, I expected to find that tractors are tractors. I didn't expect to find a lot of difference between them other than the color of the paint. Boy, was I wrong.

Branson - Had never seen or heard of this brand before until I joined this forum. Googled for a dealer that was close enough to go see them. Turned out to be an OLD farm store that's still operated by the same people who opened it probably 60 years ago. Only a few tractors on the lot. Parts and service in the future would be questionable. Nobody here knows anything about them, so resale would be non existant.

Kioti - Lots of reviews online of leaks and random issues with these. Dealer here doesn't like to take trades or do any dealing on a new tractor. In order to get an independent PTO you have to go to the SE model which is a $2k upcharge. Brake pedal is on the same side as hydro directional pedals which I hate. Makes work in sketchy areas more dangerous. Brake is a single pedal, no independent control. Cruise control only standard on the SE models. Some reviews show that the tires are garbage and dry rot quickly. Unsure about parts/service support in the future.

Mahindra - Uses a treadle pedal on most models which I HATE. Also no cruise control. Also over priced. Bad reviews online regarding parts and service availability. Emissions models use a DOC which needs the engine to run hotter 100% of the time, which means higher fuel consumption.

Massey Ferguson - Uses a treadle on a lot of models. Automatic NO for me. Lacking a few features compared to other brands. Otherwise a decent offering, but, dealer network around here is sparse.

John Deere - Two choices here: bare bones tractor with almost NO features for the same money as the competitors, OR, an equally equipped tractor for a FAR higher price tag. I found that only the "R" series has a decent build quality and feature set, and that the "R" on the hood automatically tacks on several thousand dollars. On the standard "D" and "E" series, the clutch engagement is the worst in the industry on the gear transmissions, and the hydros don't have cruise control. Gear case is aluminum. Tractor weight is too light. Tires are smaller. 2 range instead of 3 range. Proprietary loader attachment means you must use only Deere attachments. Loader does not quick park like other brands for the same money. Several bad reviews online regarding quality issues and warranty repairs. Lowest loader capacity in the segment. Lowest 3-point hitch lift capacity in the segment. Mid PTO not offered on most models. The Yanmar engines are loud as ****. The hydro trans whines like a stuck pig. I'd have to wear hearing protection to use a 3025E for a day. Are these people kidding?

Kubota - Treadle pedals on everything. Automatic NO. Also, tractors look like they're from a 1980s 3rd world country. Prices are INSANE. Reviews online show these to have the worst issues with emissions equipment among the brands. These people must be kidding.

So in the end, that's how I ended up with New Holland again. Independent brake pedals, brakes on the side where they belong, twin hydro controls, cruise, rear remotes, quick park loader, skid steer bucket, cast iron driveline and castings, mid-pto, bucket level indicator, larger tires, brush guard, excellent dealer network for parts and service, one of the highest loader lift capacity ratings in the class, one of the highest hydraulic flow volumes in the class, one of the highest 3-point lift capacities in the class, the whole nine yards. And for the same money. It was like if I could take all of the things I liked about the other brands and blend them together on one tractor, it would be a New Holland Workmaster. So I went round and round a lot and always settled back on the blue brand.

I didn't know so many other brands have treadle pedals. I never got the "3rd world country" image when I looked at the Kubota. I actually got a Toyota vs Chevrolet feel after comparing Kubota vs other brands.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #33  
If Kubota offered the option of a 2 Pedal or Treadle hydro, I wonder how many people would actually choose the Treadle?
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #34  
If Kubota offered the option of a 2 Pedal or Treadle hydro, I wonder how many people would actually choose the Treadle?

I wouldn't mind the 2 pedal setup if it was laid out like a car (brake on the left and acceleration on the righ).

Whoever thought putting the 2 pedal on a tractor opposite the design of a car had to have been smoking weed. :laughing:
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #35  
Is the New Holland made by LS? In the past, before the new age, tractors had only the two brake peddles on the right and the clutch on the left. The throttle was on the dash. The idea of only one brake comes from lawn mowers. I think most of the new tractor design is being done by a bunch of kids that never drove one, worked on one, or even had to check the oil.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #36  
The issue is that the hydro introduces another pedal. Most (but not all) still have a clutch on the left, and the hydro pedal on the right. Where then to put the steering brakes? If you put them on the left, it could be catastrophic if you hit the clutch instead of a brake. If it's on the right, it can be difficult to keep pressure on the hydro pedal while simultaneously pushing on a steering brake.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #37  
The issue is that the hydro introduces another pedal. Most (but not all) still have a clutch on the left, and the hydro pedal on the right. Where then to put the steering brakes? If you put them on the left, it could be catastrophic if you hit the clutch instead of a brake. If it's on the right, it can be difficult to keep pressure on the hydro pedal while simultaneously pushing on a steering brake.

(IMHO) It doesn’t make sense to have individual steering brakes if you can’t “go” because the hydro pedals on the same side. How do you “steer” if you’re not moving? Sure, cruise control or crossing you legs is an awkward solution.
Why not have a hand “hydro” lever. My lawn mower does, for forward only, that compliments the pedal. Maybe this is cruise control?
IMHO, I don’t see a problem with steering brakes on left side with clutch for a hydro. Maybe if you needed to break and stop pto at same time ( if a live pto)? Would there even be a problem if you could lock all three pedals together?
 
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   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #38  
Yes, I also have a garden tractor with a hand control for the HST. I have a problem with my right foot. so it is great. I use a shuttle due to my foot. I am not sure how a hand control on the tractor could work with the FEL controls.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #39  
My 2538 has the forward and reverse pedals on the right two brake pedals on the left and no clutch it works perfecty, dont know why any company would put brakes on the same side as the hydro pedals . the engineer should be fired.
 
   / Opinion needed on New Compact Tractors. #40  
My 2538 has the forward and reverse pedals on the right two brake pedals on the left and no clutch it works perfecty, dont know why any company would put brakes on the same side as the hydro pedals . the engineer should be fired.

Mine is the same. 2 motion pedals on the right, 2 split brake pedals on the left. No clutch. A clutch on a hydro is like hubcaps on a tank. Kind of pointless and unneeded.
 

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