Good morning!!!!

[PJSprog]

The "one up the spout" factor is significant in Europe and may have caused a slight translation issue, for example in the UK unless you are prepared to jump through another level of paperwork and usage justification, most semi-auto shotguns are physically restricted to accept a maximum of 3 shells, which is 2 in the mag plus one in the chamber.

That's how it is here in Illinois during hunting seasons. You cannot (legally) have a shotgun in the field with greater than 3-shot capacity. Larger capacity tubes or magazines have to have a stopper in them.

 

[imported_OWDouglas]

Good Morning, It's been years since I was here. My computer crashed last week so I'm putting all my favorites back in and checking passwords. Well have a nice day everybody and I will now try to check in more frequent. Ron

 

[rswyan]

Took Mule to neighbor to show it to him. He says let's go out to the woods. Got about 20' into unplowed snow. Stuck. It did get itself out of the 18" deep snow. I think it needs snow tires. :confused2:

:thumbsup:

:laughing:

Thanks for all the picture comments. I cannot walk past kitchen window without checking to see if there is a picture taking opportunity. :thumbsup:

Target rick environment ... luckily for us ...

That's a great pic of the cardinal ... can really see the subtle variations in color ... :thumbsup:

Everyone stay healthy and safe.

Same back at you ... :thumbsup:

 

[lostcreekranch]

Just checked our electric co-op's web site and they have zero outages this morning. They service just over 30,000 users.

We've not had any rolling blackouts since last evening.

Significant generation capacity has been brought on-line, state wide, over last 24 hours.

 

[kenmbz]

Welcome back Imported! and welcome to GM!

RS - I came from LI duck country and could cook duck 34 different ways by the time I was 15.

Did you do the boiling water on the duck to tighten the skin? (2 cups boiling water poured over duck, OR lobster pot to boil, cool 2 min and put duck in for one minute).

Miss LI Duck as most of that land now has McMansions.

 

[RedNeckGeek]

With a magazine that takes 6 standard (2 3/4") cartridges, the shotgun would still be classed as holding 7 rounds because you can have another one loaded in the chamber.

The "one up the spout" factor is significant in Europe and may have caused a slight translation issue, for example in the UK unless you are prepared to jump through another level of paperwork and usage justification, most semi-auto shotguns are physically restricted to accept a maximum of 3 shells, which is 2 in the mag plus one in the chamber.

Thanks for the insights, Eric. As you suggest, one round may have been lost in translation.:confused2: But as delivered, the magazine did hold 5 rounds as advertised, and the capacity problem only showed up with the aftermarket parts. Over here, the replacement magazine tubes are sold by their capacity, leaving little doubt as to how many 2 3/4" shells they're supposed to hold.

I've now found the drawings the CIP (Euro standards org) uses to regulate shot shells, and I think I see the problem. A couple of them, actually. Unlike SAAMI, CIP doesn't specify an overall length for the loaded shell, only the overall length for the ready-to-load shell. Makes sense from a safety standpoint, where you don't want the shell so long it opens into the restricted forward portion of the chamber. But the CIP drawing leaves it up to the manufacturer to determine the loaded length, and that will impact magazine capacity. SAAMI provides maximum loaded length dimensions, which apparently Benelli ignored when they picked the spring. That might not be the whole story, either, since the US military has adopted the M4 as their service shotgun, and I don't think they'd be very happy having to use special shells to get 7 rounds in the mag. Regardless, I'm hopeful that a replacement spring will resolve the problem.

So far, I've found no restrictions on magazine capacity for shotguns, as long as you're not going to use it on game. I've also leaned that you can not only have one "up the spout", but also one on the shell carrier. The net result is +2, using this "ghost loading" technique.

Curiously, though, there are federal regulations on what alterations can be made on imported shotguns. It involves lists of parts that if changed, need to be replaced with a certain number of other parts of domestic manufacture. Not sure what the real purpose is, but the regs have fostered a cottage industry that makes the replacement parts.:confused2:

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Last guy to fill my tank at TSC said he didn’t care if tank is out of date. Kid at uhaul wouldn’t fill one once.
Hope I get same guy at TSC.

 

[LouNY]

Morning all, well actually afternoon;
For those thinking about an electric powered utv this line is impressive,
Classic Series | Intimidator UTV
I was looking at there "truck" line before I bought my warrior.

Hope all you southerners get thawed out soon.
To me it just reinforces my believe that the only one you can count on for sure is yourself.
The government and public utilities sure aren't going to put your interests first.

All most skipped this tidbit,
After several hit and miss text messages finally got my first covid shot schedules thru the VA the 23rd of this month.

 

[PJSprog]

Last guy to fill my tank at TSC said he didn’t care if tank is out of date. Kid at uhaul wouldn’t fill one once.
Hope I get same guy at TSC.

We have a convenience store in Trenton that will swap tanks no questions asked. We also have a hardware store in Highland that will fill any tank, so long as it's functional.

 

[PJSprog]

To me it just reinforces my believe that the only one you can count on for sure is yourself.
The government and public utilities sure aren't going to put your interests first.

RNG's recent experiences certainly have reinforced that notion.