Good morning!!!!

[rswyan]

Fish and worm deliveries all made ... outdoors, socially-distanced, with masks worn. And it was a beautiful day for it.

One guy that I delivered fish to had driven down from near Buffalo, NY. He mentioned that there was another guy that had driven up from St. Louis, MO (the rest of the story on that is that guy has a fish auction to go tomorrow in Indianapolis ... so two birds, one stone)

I ended up running by a fish store up in the area (after calling first) to see how the owner was doing in these times ... and to show a little love by spending a little $$$ on a little fish food.

Turns out he's doing pretty well, despite having shutdown the store to inside customer traffic. His business on the internet has picked up to offset the in-store trade ... and he doesn't have to deal with the unpredictability of foot traffic or unknown individuals and lookeeloo's coming into the store.

Also slid by a new place that has opened up a few weeks ago closer to the house. Nice place - good stock, clean and well-tended. Hope they succeed ...

Now I have to go un-bag some new fish ...

 

[rswyan]

Lock downs don’t cut down on cases at all. Distancing and masks yes.

I realize that that is an article of faith for some.

However at least some scientific studies would appear to suggest otherwise.

But it appears politics is more important than facts to some people.

I would certainly agree with that sentiment ... although I doubt we would be referring to the same group of people.

Every school in the country should have been open since last September.

No.

All three of my grandsons have been in school all year, two in Front Royal, VA and one here in Salisbury, there have been ZERO problems.

... that you know of.

In any event, if that is in fact true, then I'm certainly glad to hear it.

I don’t even want to start about teacher’s unions. They make Jimmy Hoffa look like a Sunday school teacher.

Well, that's probably good - since it would appear to be an inherently political topic - at least from the perspective it appears to be coming from.

My reply to Ron was not intended to be political, nor do I think it was.

I simply commented on the aspect that it's kind of hard to blame curfews, quarantines, stay-at-home orders, shelter-in-place orders, shutdowns (aka "lockdowns") and similar restrictions - if you have large numbers of people who are unwilling to follow them and comply ... along with ignoring other public health rules and regulations all at the same time.

I additionally commented that when "locked-down-ness" is reduced, cases rise, pointing to my own state as an example.

It just isn't the case that the lockdowns simply don't work - it's that some people could be said to be deliberately sabotaging them ... by being unwilling to comply, if not for their own welfare, then at least for the good of others. And I suspect that their motivations for doing so vary.

If you want an example of how well lockdowns do work, check out New Zealand - it's a textbook example of how "lockdowns" - in conjunction with other measures - can get control of a highly transmissible airborne virus and prevent it from running rampant through a populace.

 

[toppop52]

I realize that that is an article of faith for some.

However at least some scientific studies would appear to suggest otherwise.



I would certainly agree with that sentiment ... although I doubt we would be referring to the same group of people.





No.



... that you know of.

In any event, if that is in fact true, then I'm certainly glad to hear it.



Well, that's probably good - since it would appear to be an inherently political topic - at least from the perspective it appears to be coming from.

My reply to Ron was not intended to be political, nor do I think it was.

I simply commented on the aspect that it's kind of hard to blame curfews, quarantines, stay-at-home orders, shelter-in-place orders, shutdowns (aka "lockdowns") and similar restrictions - if you have large numbers of people who are unwilling to follow them and comply ... along with ignoring other public health rules and regulations all at the same time.

I additionally commented that when "locked-down-ness" is reduced, cases rise, pointing to my own state as an example.

It just isn't the case that the lockdowns simply don't work - it's that some people could be said to be deliberately sabotaging them ... by being unwilling to comply, if not for their own welfare, then at least for the good of others. And I suspect that their motivations for doing so vary.

If you want an example of how well lockdowns do work, check out New Zealand - it's a textbook example of how "lockdowns" - in conjunction with other measures - can get control of a highly transmissible airborne virus and prevent it from running rampant through a populace.

And some studies like the one Forbes and several others have done suggest that lockdowns don’t work, but they do hogtie the economy.

The innuendo in your post certainly seemed political.

Masks and distance are real help, not lockdowns.

To say your post didn’t have political undertones is to be disingenuous.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Lock downs don’t cut down on cases at all. Distancing and masks yes. But it appears politics is more important than facts to some people. Every school in the country should have been open since last September. All three of my grandsons have been in school all year, two in Front Royal, VA and one here in Salisbury, there have been ZERO problems.
I don’t even want to start about teacher’s unions. They make Jimmy Hoffa look like a Sunday school teacher.

My sons college has resumed in person classes since January, they have 2 active cases. My son is still remote.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Never got to the cleaning I was going to do, got involved with no water issue and had to troubleshoot. Ended up putting new wires from a pole to the pump house. Had multiple previous splices that were in bad shape.
Flew drone once.

 

[rswyan]

And some studies like the one Forbes and several others have done suggest that lockdowns don’t work, but they do hogtie the economy.

Not familiar with the Forbes study ... but Forbes isn't who I'd look to for best practices on a public health medical emergency like a pandemic of a potentially life-threatening viral disease.

On economics, they do carry some weight though.

The innuendo in your post certainly seemed political.

... innuendo in my post ?

What "innuendo" exactly are you referring to ?

Masks and distance are real help, not lockdowns.

Science seems to show otherwise - at least as far as lockdowns go:

Inferring the effectiveness of government interventions against COVID-19

Lockdown timing and efficacy in controlling COVID-19 using mobile phone tracking

The positive impact of lockdown in Wuhan on containing the COVID-19 outbreak in China

The effect of large-scale anti-contagion policies on the COVID-19 pandemic

Special report: The simulations driving the world’s response to COVID-19

Estimating the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in Europe

Association of tiered restrictions and a second lockdown with COVID-19 deaths and hospital admissions in England: a modelling study

The probability of the 6‐week lockdown in Victoria (commencing 9 July 2020) achieving elimination of community transmission of SARS‐CoV‐2

Health and Economic Effects of COVID-19 control in Australia: Modelling and quantifying the payoffs of ‘hard’ versus ‘soft’ lockdown

Smell and taste changes are early indicators of the COVID-19 pandemic and political decision effectiveness

Could masks curtail the post-lockdown resurgence of COVID-19 in the US?

And more ...

To say your post didn’t have political undertones is to be disingenuous.

That's the difference between inference and implication:

The (purported) political "implications" are in the eye of the beholder I guess.

What was implied in my post - and what I was focused on - was that lockdowns do work - and I pointed to data here in my own state that shows cases rising when "locked-down-ness" was relaxed.

That this could happen isn't really all that surprising - given that one can be asymptomatic and still be a carrier of the virus. Couple that with pre symptomatic spread and it's potentially a pretty big pool.

All other factors aside, more/increased activity in the public sphere can reasonably be expected to cause an increase in cases - simply because there are just more opportunities for spread.

Nothing here in Ohio has changed as far as the mask mandate and social-distancing as far as I know.

I really wasn't focused on the political implications per se ... just the actual facts of whether lockdowns do work or not.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I don't like lock downs, give me masks and distancing and with those, the ability to still go/do what I need.

Got the Mule 3010 running after all. Reading the service manual, the fuel pump wiring goes through the flywheel ignitor pickup, to see if the motor is actually running. If the motor stops, the fuel pump stops. So I finally got the battery charged up enough to turn it over fast enough to start, and whalaa, the fuel pump was working. Saved some cha-ching. Now that it's running, I'm ordering tune up stuff to finish it.

Speaking of cha-ching, where's Rick?

Glad to get the tricky part done.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

*Record Scratch!* You're Probably Wondering How Lexus Got a Record Player in Here

Lexus stuffed an old-school media player into a new-school sedan.

www.motortrend.com

since most glove boxes this day are pretty useless, perhaps this would be a better use of the space
got any vinyl records left in the attic?
I can just see Popgadget installing a nice Thorens in his car...for that true analog sound.
And a tube Macintosh amp in the trunk. With large Klipch horns taking up the other half of the trunk.
Too bad the roads here are so potholed it just wouldn't work at all.
Those little memory sticks sure are durable in comparison.
But there is a purity about turntables and reel to reel tape decks that will never lose appeal for me.
The Ampex deck would need to go in the trunk. Along with a lot of heavy gauge wiring...

Those Klipsch horns wouldn't fit in RNG's vanagon. LOL. McIntosh sold a LOT of amps, tube and solid state, and they still command good prices.

 

[Popgadget]

McIntosh sold a LOT of amps, tube and solid state, and they still command good prices.

I would certainly agree. I have had several of them over the last 50 years, I don’t think that I ever sold one for less than I paid for it. In some instances a lot more than I paid.

 

[mostly_gas]

Good evening all. 54F for the start, cloudy, light breeze. Fog for a while then overcast all day, moderate wind, and high temp was 78F. Chance of showers tonight but look like they will stay north and south of me. Bike ride first thing, then nap and dinner.
Covid update: Cooke 3113 confirmed cases, 16 active cases, Montague 1735 confirmed cases, 5 active cases, Grayson 11039 confirmed cases, 41 active cases, local 0 active cases.
Kyle hope wife does ok.
Ron hope visit went well. not sure that lockdowns are effective but elected leaders not smart enough to pick up on that. great crane pic saw Caddyshack not long ago
Drew hope nothing gets wet in basement I have already reduced the memorabilia from pre-marriage
Eric thanks for tech info
Luther that is a lot of wind
Eric we (fish club) have added structure to the lake, home made and store bought
Drew quite the excitement
Billy who is you favorite player?
Drew great memories
Roy nice stories
Bill enjoy your time off
Paul I think the QC dept wants to do some sampling. Looks goooood!
Thomas hope puttering goes well
Randy grew up watching the Cardinals
RS glad fish are caught and nearly ready to depart. Was the ash dead that fell on driveway?
Rich sorry about Internet, guess Steve's come is that he is not having problem , or he is have problem so can't help with your problem
Dennis nice pic, wish they weren't high tailing when you caught the pic
Bird you running regular or premium in the 1.5L?
Randy You would not say that if you ever dealt with teamster's union
Roy sorry about the lake
RNG hope you can get weeds sprayed. I need to get pre-emergent down on north section of yard. Hope PGE deals with brush and trees
RNG the flip side of newer engines is fewer repair bills, water pumps, alternators etc are running lot more miles than back in 60's and 70's
Kyle sorry about daughter's following. Hope and pray she finds better friends.
Thomas good to hear lawn getting cleaned up
RS glad fish delivered, new fish store and new fish, where pics?
Dennis a person does need to drink nice barn pic
Kyle good job on Mule
prayers for all, especially Jay/Peg, Kyle's daughter/sister & family Covid/friend's grand baby/son&wife Covid, David(moss)/remodel/divorce, Ron/hearing/son/aunt, Phil/reflux/wife's eyes, Dennis/older brother/son, Grev/wife's eye, Randy/family, Bill/DIL, Ted/knee recovery, Doug and wife/health issues/nerve and pain/ wife's eyes, Ken/uncle, and Country.
stay safe and healthy you all.

 

[Looking4new]

When I ran my 01 Jeep wrangler (TJ) strictly on the highway I got 25 - 26 mpg. I put a big tank in it and the mileage only suffered .5 gallon.
What realy destroyed the mileage was my taking out the 3:07 rears and puting in 4:56 with posi in the front.
Down to 23.5 mpg. Still pretty good for something on wheels that is about as aerodynamic as a phone booth.


Got the back blade off and the back ho on.

 

[sodamo]

Guess it comes down to definition. I didn’t see much definition in the citations above.

My guess is true lock down, meaning absolutely no contract with another human being outside your household doesn’t happen but extremely rarely. Has there been contact that involved social distancing, masking, hygiene, I suspect so. If you had contact without social distance then you weren’t locked down.
May have missed somebody, but I can’t recall anybody on this site or anybody I know personally that observed true, absolutely no contact lock down, but I sure know significant number of people that have limited contact while practicing safe distancing, masking, hygiene.

Just my opinion of course. I am very glad that those I am likely to encounter have been vaccinated and still follow safe practices.

 

[txdon]

I got covid Arm. It's not supposed to be here this late in the game. I got my second Moderna shot 4 weeks ago and I now have a rash the size of a softball on my arm the center is where the injection was given. I don't know how long I have had it because I was not looking for it and have been wearing long sleeves. I was wearing short sleeves today and my wife noticed it. She says it looks like it is fading.
Did anyone else get covid arm?

 

[rswyan]

Guess it comes down to definition. I didn’t see much definition in the citations above.

And similarly, you probably get just as much lack of definition from some in the media and the general population when they discuss or refer to it and bandy the term about willy-nilly.

Like Pappy used to say:

"All they really know about it is they are agin' it ... and don't like it much either !!!"



Basically, it ("lockdown") involves a whole range of non-pharmaceutical interventions which are intended to limit the spread of the disease and can range from mild measures such as mask mandates and maintaining distance to more extreme measures such as requiring people whose jobs are not considered essential/critical to the functioning of society to stay home and non-essential businesses to temporarily close.

Quarantine (self-isolation) if you know you've been exposed, etc. The whole list of interventions is too large to easily list here.

A number of specific things from this range of measures was discussed and/or mentioned in a number of the citations I previously linked.

My guess is true lock down, meaning absolutely no contract with another human being outside your household doesn’t happen but extremely rarely.

Yes.

Has there been contact that involved social distancing, masking, hygiene, I suspect so. If you had contact without social distance then you weren’t locked down.

David, I believe I understand your meaning here ... and if so, I would agree ...

May have missed somebody, but I can’t recall anybody on this site or anybody I know personally that observed true, absolutely no contact lock down, but I sure know significant number of people that have limited contact while practicing safe distancing, masking, hygiene.

Largely the same here - but using your definition (as per the above) that's being "locked down". (Assuming I understood you correctly)

But as RNG observed, it's the people who refuse to act responsibly who are the problem children.

Just my opinion of course. I am very glad that those I am likely to encounter have been vaccinated and still follow safe practices.

I can't say that everyone I'm likely to encounter is vaccinated or follows safe practices ... simply because if one goes out and about into the general public it's hard to know who you'll encounter.

But it's a safe bet that if they aren't following safe practices, I'll be headed in the opposite direction in fairly short order.

 

[rswyan]

I got covid Arm. It's not supposed to be here this late in the game. I got my second Moderna shot 4 weeks ago and I now have a rash the size of a softball on my arm the center is where the injection was given. I don't know how long I have had it because I was not looking for it and have been wearing long sleeves. I was wearing short sleeves today and my wife noticed it. She says it looks like it is fading.
Did anyone else get covid arm?

Sorry to hear that ... for more than one reason ...

I may have an appointment on Monday to get the first Moderna shot ...

It's a long story and remains to be seen whether they will actually jab me or not.

Are you experiencing any discomfort or pain from it ?

Weakness or limited use ?

 

[sodamo]

I got covid Arm. It's not supposed to be here this late in the game. I got my second Moderna shot 4 weeks ago and I now have a rash the size of a softball on my arm the center is where the injection was given. I don't know how long I have had it because I was not looking for it and have been wearing long sleeves. I was wearing short sleeves today and my wife noticed it. She says it looks like it is fading.
Did anyone else get covid arm?

My BIL did. Apparently just one of the possible reactions some have.

 

[NHBX]

I got covid Arm. It's not supposed to be here this late in the game. I got my second Moderna shot 4 weeks ago and I now have a rash the size of a softball on my arm the center is where the injection was given. I don't know how long I have had it because I was not looking for it and have been wearing long sleeves. I was wearing short sleeves today and my wife noticed it. She says it looks like it is fading.
Did anyone else get covid arm?

We are 3.5 weeks past second Moderna shots. Wife got the rash and it’s just fading away now, it was about the size of a baseball. I had a spot about the size of a half dollar for about a week. Funny how the reactions affect people differently.

 

[ronjhall]

Coffee is done brewing. 47° with rain this morning. Heading to 50 with AM rain and afternoon winds. Got .44" of rain overnight. Trip to Port Huron went well. Good visit. After rain stops. Going to neighbors to chip up couple of small trees he cut down. Then some NASCAR on dirt.
Not sure what squirrels has in its mouth. Probably something for a nest. It brought it to garden pond and washed it off in water.

It amazes me that a couple word statement generates 10,000 words of reply. That I will not read. It does not belong on Good Morning.

Prayers and best wishes for everyone.

Good Morning All.

 

[oosik]

Strange how folks will react to the CV-19 shots. Got my second shot on Feb 13. A small red spot developed two days after and itched a little. It disappeared the following day and nothing since.

Otherwise - a monumental morning. As we approach sunrise the temps are rising - not falling. Perhaps spring IS here. It's overcast and 45F right now.

 

[daugen]

good Sunday morning all. Going to be a rainy stormy day as a weather system comes through, definitely an inside day.
Nice dinner last night with friend here, we enjoyed making pulled pork sandwiches from Popgadgets prized supply.
I had four different sauces for it and she found one she really liked, a sweet and sour habanero mix, but not before the wonderful smoky smell made her
say "boy this smells nice. Please tell your friend this is really good" She had never had pulled pork before.

I can't do anything more in the garden until my longer electric fence posts come in, plus my plastic and hoops to cover the garden for Thursday nights freeze.
Either the deer will eat everything or mother nature will ruin so a dicey time for an unprotected garden. I hope to have it all ready by Tuesday and get the squash planted.

Until then I might re/up-pot some plants and let their roots grow. Took all my seedling trays outside yesterday in bright sun, let them harden for about four hours and brought them
back in. Just about all of them went from light green to medium green. At least one more day of sunshine for them and then I can plant. I did this before three years ago and 80 percent of
my "house" plants died when they hit the sun, absolute true vampire reaction. So I've learned I have to take this more slowly; the real sun is a lot harsher than my little blue and red grow lights.

Ron, you are up early. A tip of the coffee cup to you.