Just another UDT oil question.

[PA-Kubota]

I'm going to help a friend do the 50hr service MX5400-HST and looks like going to need about 12gal. Beside Kubota oil, since tractor supply is close are any of their gear oil meet or exceed the Kubota spec? In my area dealer wants $264 whereas TSC is just over $100.

thanks

 

[RickB]

Don't change the hydraulic oil @ 50 hours. It's a supreme waste of $$$. Over 26 years experience at three dealers selling CaseIH, New Holland, Kubota and Mahindra. Dealerships have been around since 1963, 1970 and 2010. Not a single recommendation or work order for a hydraulic oil change at 50 hours except in rare instances with obvious contamination.

 

[rswyan]

I'm going to help a friend do the 50hr service MX5400-HST and looks like going to need about 12gal. Beside Kubota oil, since tractor supply is close are any of their gear oil meet or exceed the Kubota spec? In my area dealer wants $264 whereas TSC is just over $100.

thanks

I've been using TSC's Traveller Premium Universal Tractor Trans/Hydraulic Fluid in our B2910 here for quite some time.

Traveller Premium Universal Tractor Trans/Hydraulic Fluid

2295.5 hours on the clock so far and no issues.

 

[fried1765]

I'm going to help a friend do the 50hr service MX5400-HST and looks like going to need about 12gal. Beside Kubota oil, since tractor supply is close are any of their gear oil meet or exceed the Kubota spec? In my area dealer wants $264 whereas TSC is just over $100.

thanks

On your friend's new Kubota tractor (50 hrs.), I would not even think about anything other than Kubota SUDT-2.
The tractor is obviously still under warranty.
If there should be a warranty problem, when Kubota discovers that TSC low bidder brand oil was used, it will be curtains for that warranty.
False economy!
In the grand scheme of things, Kubota SUDT-2 can be very cheap!

 

[Captain Dirty]

Check the owner's manual. I believe you will find the first 50-hr service calls for change of the filters. The 400 hr service calls for the oil change. https://kubota.ca/getmedia/af14cebf...00,-MX5200,-MX5800-OPS-EN-TC65019712?ext=.pdf

Even at 400 hrs an analysis may save the change and $$$. See my post Oil & Fuel - Kubota L45 hydraulic fluid maintenance

 

[rswyan]

On your friend's new Kubota tractor (50 hrs.), I would not even think about anything other than Kubota UDT-2.
The tractor is obviously still under warranty.
If there should be a warranty problem, when Kubota discovers that TSC low bidder brand oil was used, it will be curtains for that warranty.

Doubtful.

Were Kubota to do that (require Kubota branded UDT or SUDT), they would be in violation of US Federal Law: 15 U.S. Code § 2302(c) specifically - the particular provision of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which prohibits the requirement a "supplier" (aka Kubota) of using "tie-in" products to maintain a warranty of a consumer product:

Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act

The only way they could get away with doing so is if they were willing to provide the UDT ... FOR FREE ... at no cost to the consumer.

But if they are willing to do that, I'd certainly be happy to take them up on the offer ...

 

[Captain Dirty]

As skeptic if not a cynic I believe the "suppliers" skirt Magnuson-Moss by stating any "tie-in" products are OK as long as they meet the "supplier's" specifications. If the tie-in product's manufacturer or marketer claims "Meets all tractor manufacturer's requirements" the "supplier" will try to put the onus on the tie-in. How much justice can you afford?

As a practical matter, most consumers rationalize using the "supplier's" products at least for the duration of the warranty period.

 

[rswyan]

"Tie-in" products refers to products being sold/supplied by the original supplier of the item under warranty.

In this case, that would be Kubota.

 

[Captain Dirty]

My misunderstanding, I thought the "tie in" products were substitutes from other manufacturers. e.g. Fram filters, TSC fluids, etc. So "For best results use only genuine ______ tie-in products or parts"?

 

[rswyan]

My misunderstanding, I thought the "tie in" products were substitutes from other manufacturers. e.g. Fram filters, TSC fluids, etc. So "For best results use only genuine ______ tie-in products or parts"?

In this case, if you put Kubota into the blank above, then yes: that could be a statement that a manufacturer (Kubota here) might well make. And, in fact, many probably do.

However, if they attempted to deny warranty coverage on a legitimate claim - simply because the end user used a compatible part or consumable (fluid, grease, etc.) - then they would be violating Magnuson-Moss and Federal Law.