Is a 3hp upgrade worth it?

[OzKioti]

I've enjoyed reading this thread, as there are similarities with my situation, but on a slightly bigger scale.

For many years, I was able to do most tasks with my 47hp tractor, but it became increasingly frustrating having to continually change gears going up-slope with the 180cm (6 ft) slasher/rotary cutter. Sure, I could have bought a smaller slasher, and set aside more time to do the job each time, but with 25 acres to mow, I didn't much like that option.

Couple that with my air-blast sprayer, and just powering the fan used up over 20 PTO hp. And the chipper was limited somewhat by the available PTO hp. As I said, all this stuff was do-able, but...

The new 76hp tractor solved all those issues. Admittedly more than a 20% hp increase, and back in 2004 if the 55hp model had been available when I bought the 47hp machine, I think it would have done all I wanted.

As to trade in, vs private sale, my Kioti dealer freely admitted he'd have to "gut me" if he accepted the 47 as a trade, however he was more than happy for me to leave it on display on his lot, and even advertised it on his website! How many dealers would do that?

The new owner saw it on the website, and is now happy as the proverbial "pig in mud" with a machine which did around 100 hrs/yr and was always garaged, and I got a fair price to offset the cost of the new one. Win/win!

 

[SirFallalot]

Thanks for the advice guys

 

[sd455dan]

Any chance you could have the tractor dyno tested at a tractor shop and possibly (if the pump is set to the low side) have it turned up a bit for an extra couple horses.
A good test that might tell, is under full load does the engine produce any black smoke at all? if not, there might be a just a bit more in the engine that a simple turn of the screw might make available. Just something that could be checked on a dyno to see if you are getting your rated power.

 

[SirFallalot]

Yeah if loaded and I press the go pedal smog ensues, but good tip.

 

[SirFallalot]

Errrr, by the way. I'm going to see the tractor tomorrow, but I really can't find any specs for this model, and I don't know if I should trust the dealers "27hp" number, considering carraro don't seem to follow the "hp in model number" thing, and that many tractors I've seen are inflated 5-15 hp. I guess CC is a good tell too.

 

[ptsg]

Yeah, really hard to find any info on the 2700. I could only find info for the 3200, which I believe is the newer version of the 2700.

I've found a couple ads for the 2700 mentioning 20 HP. Others saying 27HP. A Lombardini 2 cylinder air cooled engine would be my guess. The title should say the power in kW.

 

[SirFallalot]

Thanks, that's what I found too...7hp is a big % for these, seller actually said 28 dunno where I got 27 from. But good point the docs will have the rating.

If 20hp not sure if it's a valuable upgrade, I know my op was even less, but it's supposedly much heavier, and for the extra price it doesn't have any extras like remotes, and has a 6x2 box (not sure if that's 12 or 6F+2R, which would make it the same as mine). I guess it'll be clearer tomorrow. This is the listing btw.

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Interesting how ancient jap tractors have so much info but nothing on these.

Do you have any suggestions of possible butt feeling hp testers? I'd be very pissed off if I couldn't pull the trailer uphill above walking speed. Maybe I'm rushing the purchase a bit, but I have lots of work to do soon and my current tractor definitely won't be up for it.

 

[ptsg]

I believe I spy a remote valve on the right side of the lift arm on the picture that shows the rear of the tractor but it's hard to be sure.

Regardless of the HP, although the 27hp do make sense, this is a lot more tractor than your current one. It has a lot more weight, so it can handle a lot more weight on the 3 pt as well. On the picture, it's possible to see the gross towing weight of 3125kg along with the weight of the tractor, 790kgs. This is about the double the weight of your current tractor.

I would expect it to have a 9F+3R transmission or even a 8F+4R but then again, very had to find a catalogue of this tractor.

Some time ago, I saw an Antonio Carraro 2700 on the road with a 3500 kgs trailer fully loaded to the top with logs. That thing was ripping at top speed.

By the way, if you end up making the deal, make sure the seller has the ROPS. For some reason, someone took it off and I'm sure you know how the rules are lot tighter regarding ROPS.

EDIT: Found this ad in Italy, the seller lists a Ruggerini 26hp engine and it has a picture of the gear shift levers where it's possible to see 6 forward gears and 3 reverse gears.

Antonio Carraro Tigre 2700 | Subito

Causa inutilizzo mezzo omologato e targato stradale, con 2 prese di forza, tagliandato perfettamente funzionante. Ore lavorate 2933 originali cv.26 motore ruggerini .

www.subito.it

 

[SirFallalot]

Many thanks! That definitely

I believe I spy a remote valve on the right side of the lift arm on the picture that shows the rear of the tractor but it's hard to be sure.

Regardless of the HP, although the 27hp do make sense, this is a lot more tractor than your current one. It has a lot more weight, so it can handle a lot more weight on the 3 pt as well. On the picture, it's possible to see the gross towing weight of 3125kg along with the weight of the tractor, 790kgs. This is about the double the weight of your current tractor.

I would expect it to have a 9F+3R transmission or even a 8F+4R but then again, very had to find a catalogue of this tractor.

Some time ago, I saw an Antonio Carraro 2700 on the road with a 3500 kgs trailer fully loaded to the top with logs. That thing was ripping at top speed.

By the way, if you end up making the deal, make sure the seller has the ROPS. For some reason, someone took it off and I'm sure you know how the rules are lot tighter regarding ROPS.

EDIT: Found this ad in Italy, the seller lists a Ruggerini 26hp engine and it has a picture of the gear shift levers where it's possible to see 6 forward gears and 3 reverse gears.

Antonio Carraro Tigre 2700 | Subito

Causa inutilizzo mezzo omologato e targato stradale, con 2 prese di forza, tagliandato perfettamente funzionante. Ore lavorate 2933 originali cv.26 motore ruggerini .

www.subito.it

Thanks for the help searching and for the assurance, that's good to hear!
I'll make sure to ask about the rops, I had been meaning to weld one up for my current one but was told it needs to be certified (does make sense, otherwise I could do a bamboo one).

 

[SirFallalot]

Well I'm back from the visit. I'm...a bit unsure. It was alright but not love at first sight kind of thing.

It started on the button, clean engine, no big crashes, but it's a bit dated and felt a bit sloppy/stuck accelerator wise, probably just needs a refresh. The width is 110cm, perfect, and gearbox is 6+3, didn't want to go into first initially but then was fine.

One thing i didn't like was permanent 4x4, full turn on cement and it started jumping! Not sure if a concern. No steering brakes either.
It has the single spool, but no dedicated control, you have to push the lift to the top to operate it, not sure if there's situations where that'd be inconvenient.
No rops available, but I can make it.


5k felt a bit pushy thought for a "barebones" ~35yo tractor tho. If it wasn't for the size limitation, there's s lot more value for money ones...