Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

This is Sandy Munro showing what large OEM companies besides Tesla have out battery wise today and are working on for tomorrow. He states most if his expensive EV teardown reports are being purchased by Chinese EV makers. While this is a technical subject getting the gist is doable.

 

[coobie]

Do you mean where for "US Ground Transportation going (at least mostly) Electric?"

It is already happening. Even cheap Gasoline or Diesel cannot compete. Retail Electricity is less than 1/4 the price of "Cheap" Gasoline or Diesel.

Renewable Electricity (Silicon Solar PV in particular) has become so cheap, that businesses or even normal folks can "fuel" or charge at their own place for "Free."

Going out further, Electric Roadways will be even less than "Battery" system, and prices just collapse further.

This is NOT some "Future Tech" stuff -- it is happening now. My question is about the effects on the Ethanol Corn Industry.

As I stated before this country electric infrastructure grid is so outdated we will play heLL catching up.Where are all of these charging stations? I might see one or two in my county.Who will pay the electric utilities for all of them to be installed? What will be the charge for consumers to use these charging stations? Electric cars/trucks might work in the big cities moving forward in the near term but not very good in a rural setting.

 

[5030]

Ain't 'happening' around here that I can see. Maybe in urban areas but out here in flyover country no way.

 

[5030]

Electric truck trains running in electrified cross country tunnels will come back to the surface roads fully charged for another 500 miles of range.

So, who builds all these 'tunnels'? The government that is trillions in debt? Kalifornia cannot even complete it's high speed rail corridor let along build 'tunnels'

I will say your pie in the sky fantasies are interesting but not doable.

Least not in my lifetime and I'm glad of that. Like the electric JD utility tractor with a 6 hour runtime and a 200K price tag. Not gonna happen anywhere I know of except maybe Kalifornia where people have more money than common sense and fat payment books are the way of life.

What we really need right now is some sense of reality and what is transpiring under our noses.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The EV rollout will so slow that wind and solar may pickup the slack. More and more homes will meet their own power needs and/or be charging off peak times so the grid being a major concern is a red herring.

 

[coobie]

The EV rollout will so slow that wind and solar may pickup the slack. More and more homes will meet their own power needs and/or be charging off peak times so the grid being a major concern is a red herring.

If I remember correctly the wind turbines did not fair so well this past winter down in Texas.I worked at electric field for 42 years and can tell you we are pretty close to a 3rd world grid.In my neck of the woods we still have primary poles in the ground from 1932.Under ground primary/secondary wire dated back to 1972 still feeding power. The electric train wreck is coming sooner than later..

 

[Grumpycat]

As I stated before this country electric infrastructure grid is so outdated we will play heLL catching up.Where are all of these charging stations? I might see one or two in my county.Who will pay the electric utilities for all of them to be installed? What will be the charge for consumers to use these charging stations? Electric cars/trucks might work in the big cities moving forward in the near term but not very good in a rural setting.

As I have said time after time, for 12 hours/day we use 50% of the rate we use the other 12 hours/day so there is lots of capacity to be utilized at night. Which just so happens is the ideal time to charge an EV with low cost equipment.

You insist on suffering from "gas station syndrome" because if EVs did not depend on "gas stations" on every street corner then you would be forced to recognize everything else you believe is wrong.

A solution for long distance travel would be to build railroads down the median of interstate highways with autonomous railcars (better look up that term). One could park and anchor to a railcar at "exits", plug in, set destination, and go to sleep until one arrives. The reason this will never work is the first requirement is of competent government to build and operate.

Freight companies could drop a shipping container on an autonomous railcar and send cross country without a driver.

Being rail-bound greatly increases rolling efficiency. Solves 99% of the self-driving fully autonomous problem.

Conventional cars would only need electric air conditioning and heating to make hours on the railcar comfortable.

Tesla has built an impressive Supercharger network, worldwide, without subsidies. Everyone else is expecting The Government to to it for them. And by not doing it finally The Incompetent Government has fined VW $2B (and others lesser amounts) used to finance Electrify America as their solution.

Talk about idiocy: fining automakers for bad behavior and rewarding them by giving the fines back to build the infrastructure their honest competitor financed by selling vehicles.

 

[coobie]

As I have said time after time, for 12 hours/day we use 50% of the rate we use the other 12 hours/day so there is lots of capacity to be utilized at night. Which just so happens is the ideal time to charge an EV with low cost equipment.

You insist on suffering from "gas station syndrome" because if EVs did not depend on "gas stations" on every street corner then you would be forced to recognize everything else you believe is wrong.

A solution for long distance travel would be to build railroads down the median of interstate highways with autonomous railcars (better look up that term). One could park and anchor to a railcar at "exits", plug in, set destination, and go to sleep until one arrives. The reason this will never work is the first requirement is of competent government to build and operate.

Freight companies could drop a shipping container on an autonomous railcar and send cross country without a driver.

Being rail-bound greatly increases rolling efficiency. Solves 99% of the self-driving fully autonomous problem.

Conventional cars would only need electric air conditioning and heating to make hours on the railcar comfortable.

Tesla has built an impressive Supercharger network, worldwide, without subsidies. Everyone else is expecting The Government to to it for them. And by not doing it finally The Incompetent Government has fined VW $2B (and others lesser amounts) used to finance Electrify America as their solution.

Talk about idiocy: fining automakers for bad behavior and rewarding them by giving the fines back to build the infrastructure their honest competitor financed by selling vehicles.

I don"t suffer from gas station anything.Just stating the facts.Hope your pipe dream comes true.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The plus side of the 2009 ice storm was we got our grid rebuilt The 1938 poles went to the ground. They are using steel more and more here.

 

[Grumpycat]

If I remember correctly the wind turbines did not fair so well this past winter down in Texas.I worked at electric field for 42 years and can tell you we are pretty close to a 3rd world grid.In my neck of the woods we still have primary poles in the ground from 1932.Under ground primary/secondary wire dated back to 1972 still feeding power. The electric train wreck is coming sooner than later..

So what? Electrons wear out copper atoms?

A pole standing since 1932? Pretty good pole, I say!

Underground wiring from 1972? If there is nothing wrong with the insulation then who cares what year? Pretty sure original wiring on pre-1972 tractors is the norm here.

These days we run higher voltage on the feeders than we used to. Thats all.