pickup truck size

   / pickup truck size #261  
Well i dont have a pickup truck... their larger frontal profile, diffs and transfercases to add weight and friction (fuel consumption and road tax) make it unattractive in Europe to use as commuter vehicle.

When i follow the line of cars that my father drove to what i drove within the same class, you see a steady climb from a 1200kg 245 to a 1350kg 740 to a 1450kg 850 to a 1470kg S70 to a 1540kg V70 2nd gen, where the 3rd gen weighs 1700kg and its successor the V90 over 1800kg...

Then, looking at tractors: The big field tractors of the 90s were the Case Magnum and Deere 55 series. The Magnum ranged from 155 to 238 engine hp, weighed 9 to 10 ton and used the Cummins C series block. The Deere 55 series was from 128 to 228hp and used the Deere 7.6 liter engine, which was stroked to 8.1 liter and later to 9 liter, nowadays churning out anything between 250 and 400hp.
The 155hp of the 9 ton Magnum 7110 is now found in a 5.5 to 6 ton 4 cylinder tractor...

The Case Magnum engine was stroked to 8.7 liter and now putting out between 240 and 380hp.

Both series had wheelbase and weight increases so they actually moved up a class, yet they are still built on the same basic architecture. Its just that the Magnums Cummins was swapped for an Iveco engine of parent Fiat, and got a CVT transmission dug up from the IH archives, which patented a Vari-Torque transmission in 1981 and built working prototypes.

The Deere also got a CVT option, but also an e23 powershift, which is actually an iteration of the 12 speed powershift and the 24 speed hi/lo gearbox of the 1989 8850 articulated tractor...

On early 8000 series tractors, Deere made room for a conventional cab by moving the engine forward by means of bolting a cast iron spacer between engine and transmission of what was under the skin, a plain old 55 series skid unit with a new cab and electronic shifting...

When looking at European compact cars, we got the Golf (or Rabbit on your side of the pond) in 1974 as a replacement of the Beetle. It grew in size so in the 80s VW introduced the Polo. The current generation Polo is a more mature car than the clean sheet design Golf 3 was in the early 90s. Meanwhile, VW introduced a new compact car, called the Up! to serve the market segment where the Golf was positioned 45 years ago.

Manufacturers allways make a new iteration of a model, bigger, more expensive, and more luxurious, they never introduce a new model line upmarket, they allways lure customers to follow them into the next generation of what people already own.

Though using a pickup truck for commuting is an American thing, upmarketing existing model names through its generations is a universal commercial practice.
 
   / pickup truck size #262  
You are correct! There is another thread about a member who bought a $40,000 tractor, kept it 10 years and put only 200 hours on it! I have no idea how anyone could keep a tractor for 10 years and only put 20 hours a year on it!
Must have skimped on house maintenance to spend that kind of money!
Let's set the record straight... The tractor was 8.5 years old, had 212 hours, and I had exactly $27,000 into it. I sold it for $25,500. Leave it up to you to %^&$ up the facts. So... I got 100 months of use @ the cost of $1500 dollars and less than a thousand dollars worth of diesel fuel and 3 oil changes... Sounds like good business to me.
 
   / pickup truck size #263  
I think it's because the cars are too small today. My dad has a 32 Ford Fordoor that is bigger than my 2014 Extended cab pickup and more luxurious inside. Now that was a car! I'm 6'2" 200 lbs. and the only cars that work for me are the Europeans that have doors that open all the way and better ergonomics. Can't understand what bigger people do if they don't have truck ...
The cab-forward design of modern cars is supposed to be giving us good interior space, but sometimes having a close look at something much older will leave you scratching your head - This is Progress ? (One of the reasons I like watching Leno's garage.....).

In recent years, a buddy of mine restored a 1971 Ford Maverick that had been parked a very long time. Guys your size and bigger that sat in the restored vehicle exclaimed about the amount space in front. OK, as a mid-size 2 door, the back seat was best suited to kids, but still, in the late 60's when that was designed, they really got the space in front well sorted.

Rgds, D.
 
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   / pickup truck size #264  
Well i dont have a pickup truck... their larger frontal profile, diffs and transfercases to add weight and friction (fuel consumption and road tax) make it unattractive in Europe to use as commuter vehicle.
Though using a pickup truck for commuting is an American thing, upmarketing existing model names through its generations is a universal commercial practice.

That's right, you and I live in two different worlds.

I had an appointment with my eye doctor last week which meant a round of 350 miles (~ 563 kilometers). That's because there are no eye doctors anywhere closer to me, nor a Home Depot where I can buy building supplies, etc. Between my place and Reno, the nearest "city" 175 miles away where the doctors live and the shopping is, are but 3 tiny towns where all you can buy is fuel and a snack. So - when I have to make a "town" run my truck comes back fully loaded...sometimes I even take a trailer to haul everything.
So - I have no use for a car. I need something that can haul a lot of "stuff". This is my world:
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   / pickup truck size #265  
I am happy with this truck, maybe looking for one of these special trucks might be the answer,,
The dealer really priced this truck right,, for me,,
I am still amazed at the low price I ended up paying for the Alaskan,,
I'm not in the market at the moment, but I could see myself attracted to a well thought out work-targeted package like that....... all the while still grumbling about too many bells/whistles :cool: Ha.

In the olden-days, you could find some gems on GM's option-list for cars..... while a rear-widow defroster might have been hundreds of dollars, you could upgrade to a heavy-duty suspension for something like $18.

They might be getting like hen's teeth in the market, but it's good to hear that there are still some intelligently spec'd work packages available....

Rgds, D.
 
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   / pickup truck size #266  
Well i dont have a pickup truck... their larger frontal profile, diffs and transfercases to add weight and friction (fuel consumption and road tax) make it unattractive in Europe to use as commuter vehicle.

Though using a pickup truck for commuting is an American thing, upmarketing existing model names through its generations is a universal commercial practice.
Top Gear had an episode of Clarkson trying to drive an F150 to the "shops" in the country town near his home. Didn't fit anywhere.....

Lots of open space in N. America, and generally much bigger roads than much of Europe. Not that I'd want to park a 1 ton crew-cab 8' box p/u in NYC, San Francisco, or Vancouver.....

I was watching a motorcycle-trip video shot in Finland - roads were well paved, but it was startling to see a motorcycle meet an oncoming car; the roads were extremely narrow by our norms.

DE had a good example of using a truck's capacity for personal use, but much of the time, personal pickup trucks ride around here virtually empty...... and our fuel prices are significantly higher than most of the USA has. Work and Farm p/u trucks account for a bit of the market, but the majority are owned by Townies that want them mostly for size/comfort/status reasons.

The recent 10-speed p/u transmissions do help make the modern p/u fuel bill a bit less painful....

I've only made one trip to Europe. I was surprised to see a few US pickup models on the road near Stockholm, and there was one brand new full size Tahoe parked at a nice residence near the hotel I was staying at, but I'd expect those are priced in the local market similar to driving a high-end Mercedes car/SUV here. Not for avg folks, like me.

Rgds, D.
 
   / pickup truck size #267  
That's right, you and I live in two different worlds.

I had an appointment with my eye doctor last week which meant a round of 350 miles (~ 563 kilometers). That's because there are no eye doctors anywhere closer to me, nor a Home Depot where I can buy building supplies, etc. Between my place and Reno, the nearest "city" 175 miles away where the doctors live and the shopping is, are but 3 tiny towns where all you can buy is fuel and a snack. So - when I have to make a "town" run my truck comes back fully loaded...sometimes I even take a trailer to haul everything.
So - I have no use for a car. I need something that can haul a lot of "stuff". This is my world:
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That pic reminds me of Rte 50 through Nevada and Utah ..." The Loneliest Hwy " in the world...
 
   / pickup truck size #268  
That pic reminds me of Rte 50 through Nevada and Utah ..." The Loneliest Hwy " in the world...

Yup. 152 miles between Ely, Nevada and Delta, Utah...and there is literally NOTHING between the two towns but desert and mountains. Photo taken in Utah but the mountains in the distance are in Nevada.
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   / pickup truck size #269  
Yup. 152 miles between Ely, Nevada and Delta, Utah...and there is literally NOTHING between the two towns but desert and mountains.
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Yep... Wifey and I drove that out of Carson City (I believe) into Salina Utah and picked up 70 east to Denver. Amazing road trip.
 
   / pickup truck size #270  
Let's set the record straight... The tractor was 8.5 years old, had 212 hours, and I had exactly $27,000 into it. I sold it for $25,500. Leave it up to you to %^&$ up the facts. So... I got 100 months of use @ the cost of $1500 dollars and less than a thousand dollars worth of diesel fuel and 3 oil changes... Sounds like good business to me.
I’m not questioning anything about what you paid/sold.
I was commenting about the lack of use/low hours.
 

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