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I've often wondered in recent years how is it that American (& foreign) full size pick up trucks have become so large, luxury laden, and overwhelmingly expensive almost requiring a 2nd mortgage to purchase. (i'm not talking about those who make a living from their pickups, just everyday owners who cruise the country, malls, & trips to Lowes...)

What is your take? this is observation only, we all have our preferences. I'm talking sheer size & price. I travel narrow dirt roads almost daily, & drive very defensively around blind curves knowing most current pickups almost aggressively consume 2/3 or more of the road while insulated with power & luxury. That's ok, but puts me at risk. Most of the time i just pull off to the side...

So has it been the result of 1) modern owners actually needing all if it? 2) or is it Americans love affair with bigger, better, & more technology laden? I also note that the size of the payload bed continues to shrink all the while. (some 4 full size door models can't even carry a sheet of ply)
Personally i feel both are true: we now use pickups for in a wider range of activities, & want having it packed into one large size. But dang, the price & size
Hey, just as a simple metaphor to compare: look at the vat sized drink tumblers now served @ fast foods. do we really need it?

On the flip side, i've also noticed that especially since '08 crash, Detroit has done an outstanding job of producing more fuel efficient & modest sized passenger vehicles...strange. So tell me about the big pickup truck size craze. Again, not dumping, just observing.
Apologize in advance if this seems like an inane post, but i'm blown away every day of what the full size pickup has now become. best regards
 
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It started in the late seventies when woman started buying pick ups. By the mid eighties trucks were becoming 'softer', pretty paint, more comfortable, less working truck more show. Buy about 2000 they were being equipped with all the latest gadgets. Now they are behemoths with everything a luxury car has. Sad really
 
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I've often wondered in recent years how is it that American (& foreign) full size pick up trucks have become so large, luxury laden, and overwhelmingly expensive almost requiring a 2nd mortgage to purchase. (i'm not talking about those who make a living from their pickups, just everyday owners who cruise the country, malls, & trips to Lowes...)

What is your take? this is observation only, we all have our preferences. I'm talking sheer size & price. I travel narrow dirt roads almost daily, & drive very defensively around blind curves knowing most current pickups almost aggressively consume 2/3 or more of the road while insulated with power & luxury. That's ok, but puts me at risk. Most of the time i just pull off to the side...

So has it been the result of 1) modern owners actually needing all if it? 2) or is it Americans love affair with bigger, better, & more technology laden? I also note that the size of the payload bed continues to shrink all the while. (some 4 full size door models can't even carry a sheet of ply)
Personally i feel both are true: we now use pickups for in a wider range of activities, & want having it packed into one large size. But dang, the price & size
Hey, just as a simple metaphor to compare: look at the vat sized drink tumblers now served @ fast foods. do we really need it?

On the flip side, i've also noticed that especially since '08 crash, Detroit has done an outstanding job of producing more fuel efficient & modest sized passenger vehicles...strange. So tell me about the big pickup truck size craze. Again, not dumping, just observing.
Apologize in advance if this seems like an inane post, but i'm blown away every day of what the full size pickup has now become. best regards
I also think inflation is outstripping wage increases for some swaths of the pickup buying public. While its true they come with more luxury, the higher price tag is unaffordable to many.
When I bought my Ram 5500 last year, the dealer told me they are offering up to 10 year financing! Thats insane! But a sign of the times.
Wages not keeping up!
 
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Just coming out....the Ford Maverick and the Hyundai Santa Cruz are small cut trucks.
Yeah, those look about the size of the pick up trucks here in Europe.

Here is a picture of my 2010 Mitsubishi L200. 2.5 liter engine with 180hp. Around 30 MPG empty and 17 MPG towing about 5800 lbs. It's not, not huge but it just squeezes on some of our tight roads.

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It started in the late seventies when woman started buying pick ups. By the mid eighties trucks were becoming 'softer', pretty paint, more comfortable, less working truck more show. Buy about 2000 they were being equipped with all the latest gadgets. Now they are behemoths with everything a luxury car has. Sad really
Well seeing as women only make up 15% of the truck purchasing demographic…I would disagree on this one. No way the industry changes to get at 15% of their sales base. They go after the 85%…which are males. What has happened is auto manufacturers needed to appeal to city folk…because that was an untapped market and represented the most capital to spend On new vehicles. So they added luxury and sold millions of trucks to people that will use the bed 2 times a year, and probably never tow anything. Smart.
 
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If I could only find a new 72 Chevy Cheyenne C-20 350 auto 4 x 4 with air. I would be one happy camper.
Ya 10mpg if you are lucky;new trucks mostly get double that.The small modern trucks are not that much smaller than full size and don't get much better mileage.
 
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Apologize in advance if this seems like an inane post, but i'm blown away every day of what the full size pickup has now become. best regards
I've wandered down many of the same thought-paths myself.....

Modern-day version of H. Ford's "You can have any color......." ?

.....You can have any kind of pickup you want..... "So long as it's Large, Loaded, Expensive, and Automatic !".

My personal favourite on the road these daze..... usually a young guy, driving a new p/u around with the extended towing mirrors on full viagra, and No Trailer.....

Some young folk get it though...... a really sharp young tech at the last shop I worked at rebuilt an early 80's Jeep that was given to him...... for small, light, agile, you need to hop into a time machine....

^ another young guy at that shop said "That thing makes my Dad's new Wrangler look like a school-bus....."

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Ya 10mpg if you are lucky;new trucks mostly get double that.The small modern trucks are not that much smaller than full size and don't get much better mileage.
My wife will only drive something that is "up high". I got her a 2020 Chevy crewcab V8 short bed and it is lucky to get 16 mpg. But my wife only drives 2 ways ........ to the floor or hard brake. Nothing in between.
 
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Yeah, those look about the size of the pick up trucks here in Europe.

Here is a picture of my 2010 Mitsubishi L200. 2.5 liter engine with 180hp. Around 30 MPH empty and 17 MPH towing about 5800 lbs. It's not, not huge but it just squeezes on some of our tight roads.

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I'm thinking you meant mpG :).... Is that a stick shift, or automatic ? We've never had those Mitsu's here.....

Like houses, closets, garages..... humans tend to use up whatever space they're given, and then some. We mostly have big wide roads here, but much of the world doesn't.

Big trucks are popular here, including with many who don't really use the "truck" functions much/at all.

To each his own...... Wave my magic wand, and I'd probably roll with an olde school Land Cruiser or Rover, or slightly more modern, the VW tdi p/u that much of the world outside of Can/USA got......

Rgds, D.
 
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If I could only find a new 72 Chevy Cheyenne C-20 350 auto 4 x 4 with air. I would be one happy camper.
bringatrailer.com I really shouldn't torment myself with that site.....

Spend a little time there, and it's clear that many people share your thoughts on clean classic trucks...... certain ones close for big (at least to me) $.

Then again.... vs. the cost of new trucks.....

Rgds, D.
 
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I don’t know exact measurements but I’m guessing the overall dimensions of a pickup aren’t that much bigger than say the 1970’s to today. I’m talking a 8’ bed regular cab. My truck has a shorter bed, 6.5’, and an extended cab, Ford calls it a Supercab. The overall dimension is roughly the same as a regular cab long bed.

On the other hand you get into long bed crew cabs, they start getting big.

My first car, 77 Ford Granada, 302 V8, something like 134 hp, 17 mpg, 20 mpg with a tailwind downhill. This car was so slow if you pushed it off a cliff it wouldn’t reach the bottom.

My current truck, 5.0 V8, 385 hp, gets 17 mpg the places I drive normally and will get 20 mpg on the highway. Lots of power. You can’t say we haven’t made progress.
 
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I think I've just about convinced myself that the reason pickups have become so luxurious, large, and expensive is because the full size sedan was strangled to death by fuel economy standards.

If you squint you can see the sedan in a four door, 5.5' box with a tonneau cover pickup: big legroom, big headroom, big power, big (separate) trunk for the golf clubs, all the gizmos.
 
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I have a 2018 2500HD Duramax diesel, LTZ. Here's the deal for me. I don't buy a truck based on fuel milage. I need 4wd for the winter and light off road stuff. I need a workhorse to tow things. I need a crew cab for when the family goes along. I'm 6' and about 260#, and can't stand being cramped into a small truck. A sportscar, like my old Firebird is a different story. I don't want the hassle of dealing with an old troublesome truck anymore, especially when towing distances. I don't need all the bells and whistles of a modern LTZ but they sure are nice to have. Whatever truck I have is my daily driver also. I want and need an all purpose vehicle and why not have some comforts along with it. Anything less than a 3/4 ton truck would suffer punishing wear and tear that would lead to an early demise. Plus my Duramax will hold its value really well when it's time to trade up. Anything else for me would be a new Camaro or a rugged Jeep just for fun.

It's all relative to your needs. Some guys drive big trucks, some drive toy trucks. I'm a big truck guy, no doubt about it.
 
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My 2019 F150 dwarfs my '87 Ram 250, carries more, tows more, has at least 150 more hp and gets 50%-60% better mpg while riding better and has a functioning AC.


I still love my old Ram more..
 
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I'm thinking you meant mpG :).... Is that a stick shift, or automatic ? We've never had those Mitsu's here.....

Like houses, closets, garages..... humans tend to use up whatever space they're given, and then some. We mostly have big wide roads here, but much of the world doesn't.

Big trucks are popular here, including with many who don't really use the "truck" functions much/at all.

To each his own...... Wave my magic wand, and I'd probably roll with an olde school Land Cruiser or Rover, or slightly more modern, the VW tdi p/u that much of the world outside of Can/USA got......

Rgds, D.
Opss my bad. Yes MPG. Thanks! I fixed it now.

Actually, I believe you had some of these Mitsu's available there. Although, they were called Dodge 1200 but it was just a Mitsubishi L200 with a Dodge emblem on it.

These Mitsubishi's have a very cool feature. It's the Super Select transfer case. Basically you can have 4x4 with center diff open to drive on the road with rain, snow, etc, 4x4 with center diff locked and 4x4 with center diff locked in low range.

We do have trucks the size of your pickups. But they are made entirely for work. With a wide variety of cabs, wheel base, gross weights, beds and so on. From single cab, to triple cab. Dump bed, flat bed, crane, you name it.


Mitsubishi Canter Fuso S13 ( 5500 Kgs PB )RESERVADO - Stand Auto Gois,  Comercio de Automoveis, Lda
Camião basculante Mitsubishi Fuso Canter 6S15 a venda Alemanha Petershagen,  PD21653
 
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@Jchonline I think your numbers, although correct, are a bit skewed by married couples purchasing the truck. Many times the husband's name is alone on the loan and title or the first of the two. This could show as a man purchasing the truck even though the woman is the 'owner' of the truck, just ask her.
 
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Opss my bad. Yes MPG. Thanks! I fixed it now.

Actually, I believe you had some of these Mitsu's available there. Although, they were called Dodge 1200 but it was just a Mitsubishi L200 with a Dodge emblem on it.

These Mitsubishi's have a very cool feature. It's the Super Select transfer case. Basically you can have 4x4 with center diff open to drive on the road with rain, snow, etc, 4x4 with center diff locked and 4x4 with center diff locked in low range.

We do have trucks the size of your pickups. But they are made entirely for work. With a wide variety of cabs, wheel base, gross weights, beds and so on. From single cab, to triple cab. Dump bed, flat bed, crane, you name it.


Mitsubishi Canter Fuso S13 ( 5500 Kgs PB )RESERVADO - Stand Auto Gois,  Comercio de Automoveis, Lda
Camião basculante Mitsubishi Fuso Canter 6S15 a venda Alemanha Petershagen,  PD21653
We have similar trucks to those here. I once had a conversation with an owner of a 4WD Isuzu 12’ dumping flatbed truck. He and I were both dropping off hay. I really liked the truck. Had better visibility, 4 wheel drive and an exhaust brake like my Ram. He said the drawback is power. His truck was about 250HP from a smaller displacement engine. “Loaded, You lose speed on hills, but I save on fuel”.
I could see owning one. They are very practical.
 
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I agree with you, but...
My opinion, this is an example of that principle (I don't know what it's called or if there's a name for it) which describes that thing the internet does where it amplifies dissenting voices and makes them seem like majority opinions instead of the minority opinions that they actually are, and further makes society as a whole seem to "say one thing and do another."

Truth is, the overwhelming majority of truck buyers DO WANT their trucks bigger, more HP, more passenger room, less cargo room, more bells, more whistles, higher lift, bigger tires, less accessible bed, etc. and that's why trucks have evolved into what they are. "You can't rape the willing" as some say. The market delivers what consumers demand (as determined by what they buy). The manufacturers couldn't have done this to us against our will. If they could, we would all be driving Chevy Avalanches.

I agree with you, and I'm sure most people who reply here will also agree with you, but keep in mind that we are the vocal minority on this topic and most folks got what they wanted and have little incentive to voice their affirmations.
 
  
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I agree with you, but...
My opinion, this is an example of that principle (I don't know what it's called or if there's a name for it) which describes that thing the internet does where it amplifies dissenting voices and makes them seem like majority opinions instead of the minority opinions that they actually are, and further makes society as a whole seem to "say one thing and do another."

Truth is, the overwhelming majority of truck buyers DO WANT their trucks bigger, more HP, more passenger room, less cargo room, more bells, more whistles, higher lift, bigger tires, less accessible bed, etc. and that's why trucks have evolved into what they are. "You can't rape the willing" as some say. The market delivers what consumers demand (as determined by what they buy). The manufacturers couldn't have done this to us against our will. If they could, we would all be driving Chevy Avalanches.

I agree with you, and I'm sure most people who reply here will also agree with you, but keep in mind that we are the vocal minority on this topic and most folks got what they wanted and have little incentive to voice their affirmations.
well spoken. buying options for pickups today are far more diverse than in the past. please note, in my original post, i am not bashing bigger & better, nor am i advocating unrealistic return to old school. just observing the full size truck phenomon on the market today.
sure am glad i don't have a payment book on a new vehicle today. but i'm retired & keeping things simple. it's all about life stage as well
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Frankly, Im really happy with “we can build it (him) bigger, stronger, faster”... (cheap reference to the “Six Million Dollar Man”).
Having my Ram 5500 so strong it’s GCWR is 44,000lbs keeps me from having to own and haul with a tractor trailer.
No I KNOW a tractor trailer will haul substantially more, but todays small-medium truck like mine with a 40’ trailer can haul 12 tons of hay. I can drive home at the end of the day, and park it in my garage. I can also do smaller jobs.
A tractor trailer with a 54’ trailer can haul about 18 tons of hay, but I can’t use it for much else.
I say keep on going. Make them bigger, stronger & faster.
The new GM 4500-6500 trucks show promise. Just need higher towing ratings.
 
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My thinking of personal trucks are a bit different than most. Purchased a 2017 F350XL Super Cab, 4x4 with the 8' bed - nothing fancy. This is to be my last truck purchase so I went for everything I wanted in a truck. No flash, fluff, or show for me. I wanted a big truck with plenty of room that looked like a truck and rode like a truck - not a pimp mobile. Didn't want electronic everything under the sun - have other vehicles for that. Wanted to stay away from diesel emissions, something less complex, so the 6.2L gasser was an easy pick. When my must have/wish list was complete, I ordered a base model XL with 18" steel wheels, manual transfer case & manual hubs, vinyl seats, rubber floor/carpet delete, and base radio but added all that I could or might need in the future: dual battery with XXHD alternator, block heater, upfitter switches, gooseneck & 5th wheel hitch, brake controller, snowplow prep (no plowing but wanted beefier front suspension), running boards, spray in bed liner, . For my convenience I did go for the power windows / door locks, boxlink, LED bed lighting, bluetooth, and rear camera.

It's a hoss and I love the truck. After 3 1/2 years of ownership I would not have changed a thing. Not my daily driver so only 7500 smiles so far.
 
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Frankly, Im really happy with “we can build it (him) bigger, stronger, faster”... (cheap reference to the “Six Million Dollar Man”).
Having my Ram 5500 so strong it’s GCWR is 44,000lbs keeps me from having to own and haul with a tractor trailer.
No I KNOW a tractor trailer will haul substantially more, but todays small-medium truck like mine with a 40’ trailer can haul 12 tons of hay. I can drive home at the end of the day, and park it in my garage. I can also do smaller jobs.
A tractor trailer with a 54’ trailer can haul about 18 tons of hay, but I can’t use it for much else.
I say keep on going. Make them bigger, stronger & faster.
The new GM 4500-6500 trucks show promise. Just need higher towing ratings.
Very true -- though it also makes it easier to start unknowingly treading into areas requiring a CDL (either by federal minimums or in states that may go beyond the minimum). Which can be a problem for those of use with arms thick enough we'll always measure as having "high blood pressure."

One of those things that both frustrates and amuses me is how much bad/incorrect science is present in modern medicine ....and even more so when it ties into regulation. Of course when it hits that latter point of tying into regulations it's just about futile to even try correcting the flawed understanding of physics/science (e.g. wall thickness and composition do make a difference on crush resistance despite that fact being ignored in taking blood pressure measurements) even though going with the flow can create hazardous situations.

(might just be me, but I'd rather have people with "high blood pressure" operating heavy equipment/trucks than someone with too low of blood pressure given the latter can cause fainting)

So bigger, stronger, faster and much safer to operate ....yet the regulations aren't likely to change or recognize that any time soon. 🤷‍♂️

BTW I'd suspect some of the growth in size may also be driven by the need to create more space for crumple zones in order to get better crash testing results.....
 
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If it was up to me I’d like a more basic truck but my wife wants more options, in my case an XLT vs an XL. One thing I always wish for is rubber floor mats. I end up buying floor mats to cover up the carpet that mimics rubber floor mats.
 
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I've often wondered in recent years how is it that American (& foreign) full size pick up trucks have become so large, luxury laden, and overwhelmingly expensive almost requiring a 2nd mortgage to purchase. (i'm not talking about those who make a living from their pickups, just everyday owners who cruise the country, malls, & trips to Lowes...)
You can option out a Honda Accord to over $40,000 so an F150 Lariat stickering around $50,000 seems pretty much inline considering the difference in capability. Vehicles in general are just more expensive than they were 40 years ago.

What is your take? this is observation only, we all have our preferences. I'm talking sheer size & price. I travel narrow dirt roads almost daily, & drive very defensively around blind curves knowing most current pickups almost aggressively consume 2/3 or more of the road while insulated with power & luxury. That's ok, but puts me at risk. Most of the time i just pull off to the side...
30 years ago a standard F150 was 79 inches in width. Today it's 79.9 so that's less than an inch wider. Newer trucks are significantly longer and higher though so it makes them seem much bigger compared to an older pickup. IMO that's due to most trucks being 4 door people haulers today. That's just added foot and head room for occupants.

So has it been the result of 1) modern owners actually needing all if it? 2) or is it Americans love affair with bigger, better, & more technology laden? I also note that the size of the payload bed continues to shrink all the while. (some 4 full size door models can't even carry a sheet of ply)
Once people figured out how awesome it was to sit up high versus dragging your rear end on the ground where you can't see anything, the utility of the pickup became a no-brainer for many. Today the manufacturers are simply making them with the same luxury and tech options you could always get on sedans. And honestly, the weekend warrior types don't need an 8 foot bed because all they're hauling is bicycles and fertilizer. Those types largely weren't buying trucks 30-40 years ago but they're most definitely the majority of the market now which is why the shorter beds are so common.

To add a personal anecdote, 4 years ago I bought an XLT off the dealer lot for less than $30,000. That's the equivalent of $12,000 in 1985 dollars which was about the base price of an F150 at the time. However, I guarantee you the newer model is lightyears better in every way than that 1985 model. You don't have to get all those expensive, fancy options if you don't want to ;)
 
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bringatrailer.com I really shouldn't torment myself with that site.....

Spend a little time there, and it's clear that many people share your thoughts on clean classic trucks...... certain ones close for big (at least to me) $.

Then again.... vs. the cost of new trucks.....

Rgds, D.
I hate you ! I got drool all over the keyboard.;)
 
  
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PuffyC: in depth & well thought out reply & shows today's market is more diverse than my thinking in my original post statement.
 
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Very true -- though it also makes it easier to start unknowingly treading into areas requiring a CDL (either by federal minimums or in states that may go beyond the minimum). Which can be a problem for those of use with arms thick enough we'll always measure as having "high blood pressure."

One of those things that both frustrates and amuses me is how much bad/incorrect science is present in modern medicine ....and even more so when it ties into regulation. Of course when it hits that latter point of tying into regulations it's just about futile to even try correcting the flawed understanding of physics/science (e.g. wall thickness and composition do make a difference on crush resistance despite that fact being ignored in taking blood pressure measurements) even though going with the flow can create hazardous situations.

(might just be me, but I'd rather have people with "high blood pressure" operating heavy equipment/trucks than someone with too low of blood pressure given the latter can cause fainting)

So bigger, stronger, faster and much safer to operate ....yet the regulations aren't likely to change or recognize that any time soon. 🤷‍♂️

BTW I'd suspect some of the growth in size may also be driven by the need to create more space for crumple zones in order to get better crash testing results.....
Oh I am way into CDL territory. Got mine 30+ years ago
I would suggest getting one if youare on the fence. One of the best moves I ever made
 
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I bought a Tonka truck the first of this year (Toyota Tacoma)
It seemed large to me for a mid sized pickup truck.
Looking into it, the Tacoma is pretty much the same dimensions as a 90's C-10 GMC. Length Width and height. Big difference is there are no "cab only" models.

It's either Access cab and a 6 foot bed, or dual cab and a 5 foot bed. Gone are the 8 foot beds ....

A reflection of our times.
 
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I hate you ! I got drool all over the keyboard.;)
That is a seriously dangerous site if you have the slightest issue with impulse control :love:.

It's the other site (second after Jay's garage) that reminds me that there is still plenty I don't know about vehicles, and I'm still coming across vehicles I never knew existed....

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1,170
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East Central Illinois
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Kubota 1999 L3710 HST FWA
I feel like I have the perfect truck. 2002 F150 6 cylinder auto, 8 ft. bed, manual windows, manual locks, no carpet. Bought it at 3 years old in 2005 with 15k miles on it and matching topper for $9,200 cash. It got 22-23 mpg highway and I've put 130,000 miles on it.
 

Cougsfan

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Sep 10, 2008
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1,308
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Eastern Washington State
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Ferguson TO35, Branson 4720CH
My '96 Dodge 1 ton 4X4 is the truck I will own for the rest of my life. It's diesel is before all the electronic controlled diesels, and before all the emission controls ... I won't say it is the best truck ever made, but it rates right up there. It is a just a tough old, reliable truck that will last at least 300,000 more miles. (I only have 230,000 miles on it) In 2018 I bought a new Toyota Tacoma because I wanted a small truck. It took a while for it to dawn on me it wasn't so small after all, it was a gas hog, it was just too fancy to use as a real truck. I quickly came to view it as a Yuppie truck. It lasted 6 months before I sent it down the road for someone else to own.
 

oosik

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Aug 22, 2012
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Location
AMBER, WA
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2009 Kubota M6040
I've had a smaller truck ( Toyota Tundra ), a standard size ( Ford F-150 ) and now a larger one ( Ram 2500 Power Wagon ). I liked them all and each had/has their place & function.

The Power Wagon ( Taco Wagon )'s place is purely FUN. Very little work - a whole lot of play/fun. At 79 I'm reliving my youth.
 

check

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Sep 26, 2008
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3,510
Location
Dorset (cottage country) and Toronto, Ontario, Can
Tractor
2009 Kubota BX25
I've had a smaller truck ( Toyota Tundra ), a standard size ( Ford F-150 ) and now a larger one ( Ram 2500 Power Wagon ). I liked them all and each had/has their place & function.

The Power Wagon ( Taco Wagon )'s place is purely FUN. Very little work - a whole lot of play/fun. At 79 I'm reliving my youth.

Good for you, oosik! Just bought the wife a brand new Toyota 4runner for the same reason. We ain’t gettin’ any younger, so we are starting the splurge on things a bit.

For me, its a 2016 F150 XLT Supercrew with the 302a XTR package and the 5.0 V8, but only a 5.5 bed. Why the Supercrew? For the dog crate! (See the window sticker below - didn't pay anywhere near that much for it. Leased it for 2 years and then bought out the lease for $31k CDN, or about $23,000 US. And I could sell it for more than that today.) I do use it a lot as a truck. But I love the ride! And being able to call and answer the phone with just my voice and using the truck speakers is an amazing feature and much safer!
 

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John0829

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Nov 17, 2018
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427
Location
Western Ky
Tractor
Ford 850 John Deere 1025R
I was at NAPA yesterday driving the the old war wagon a 92' GMC 3500 4x4 dually with flatbed and parked next to a new Colorado, it was every bit as big as the old truck if not more, it was definitely higher off the ground. My Tundra sits higher is longer and takes up more room in the garage than the old truck, it also rides and gets better mileage even when towing but I am in the old truck more because the Tundra is to nice to use for work or beater tasks. I suppose it is possible to order one but you seldom see "WORK" trucks being offered by the manufacturers like years ago when they actually advertised work trucks (plain, rubber mats, manual widows, etc.), now it seems all the ads are about the "bells and whistles".
 

BravoXray

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Dec 17, 2019
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982
Location
Nothern Indiana
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Kubota BX2230, John Deere 430 Diesel
I suppose it is possible to order one but you seldom see "WORK" trucks being offered by the manufacturers like years ago when they actually advertised work trucks (plain, rubber mats, manual widows, etc.), now it seems all the ads are about the "bells and whistles".

The dealers don't make near as much on a "WORK" truck as they do on a maxed out Platinum or King Ranch F150.
I'm going to drive my '06 F150 XLT 4.6l 2wd standard cab, 8 foot box until it falls apart or I die, whichever comes first.
 

scaredychicken

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Jul 21, 2012
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Location
Salmon Arm BC, Canada
Tractor
John Deere 160 (1988), Arctic Cat 400 ATV (2006), Kubota BX23S (2018),Jacobsen Super Chief 1450 (1969)
I'm completely happy with my 1993 Chevy Silverado C2500 ext cab 2 door, 6.5 ft box (would prefer 8 ft box), 350 cid V8, has 156,000 kms / 97,000 miles ... bought it 5 yrs ago. I drive it daily, but not insured in winter months.

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Not a Squarebody, but I'm told that these (OBS old body style) are becoming popular again, more $$$

I chose to (finally) be able to buy NEW, my 2018 Kubota BX23S package. Love having a tractor, so having an almost 30 yr old truck is fine with me.
 

RalphVa

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Dec 19, 2003
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7,586
Location
Charlottesville, VA, USA
Tractor
JD 2025R, previously Gravely 5650 & JD 4010 & JD 1025R
I've often wondered in recent years how is it that American (& foreign) full size pick up trucks have become so large, luxury laden, and overwhelmingly expensive almost requiring a 2nd mortgage to purchase. (i'm not talking about those who make a living from their pickups, just everyday owners who cruise the country, malls, & trips to Lowes...)

What is your take? this is observation only, we all have our preferences. I'm talking sheer size & price. I travel narrow dirt roads almost daily, & drive very defensively around blind curves knowing most current pickups almost aggressively consume 2/3 or more of the road while insulated with power & luxury. That's ok, but puts me at risk. Most of the time i just pull off to the side...

So has it been the result of 1) modern owners actually needing all if it? 2) or is it Americans love affair with bigger, better, & more technology laden? I also note that the size of the payload bed continues to shrink all the while. (some 4 full size door models can't even carry a sheet of ply)
Personally i feel both are true: we now use pickups for in a wider range of activities, & want having it packed into one large size. But dang, the price & size
Hey, just as a simple metaphor to compare: look at the vat sized drink tumblers now served @ fast foods. do we really need it?

On the flip side, i've also noticed that especially since '08 crash, Detroit has done an outstanding job of producing more fuel efficient & modest sized passenger vehicles...strange. So tell me about the big pickup truck size craze. Again, not dumping, just observing.
Apologize in advance if this seems like an inane post, but i'm blown away every day of what the full size pickup has now become. best regards
Our most liked pickups have been the 1984ish Dodge Rampage and the 1996 Toyota Tacoma. The present 2005 Tacoma that we got back around 2008 has had only about 6-7k miles on it because we DON'T LIKE TO DRIVE IT. We liked the Rampage and earlier Tacoma. Toyota just kept making the T100 and renamed it "Tacoma"

Give me a pickup with radio, AC, heat, power steering and brakes and roll u/down windows and be able to wash the roof without climbing onto something. That was the Rampage and earlier Tacoma.
 
 
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