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[hunt4570]

So you’re telling me it has more torque then say my 500i or my cs1201 echo or 395 Husky? Reason I ask is I’ve never see more then a top handled sized battery saw for a good reason the tech isn’t there to pull the bar length without a huge weight penalty. As far as chaps go have you ever through maybe they’re trying to sell you another product? Are most of these electric saw using a clutch or are they direct drive?

I have to agree, most of the battery ones seem smaller, cant imagine they have more torque, or more anything for that matter, than some of those big saws out there like you use.. or even the medium size ones like I use.

 

[hunt4570]

I hope that you enjoyed watching it!

I did, I like that kind of stuff, thanks. Thank goodness I have yet to try that out on my chaps!! They are plenty dirty but not cut up!

 

[John_Mc]

So you’re telling me it has more torque then say my 500i or my cs1201 echo or 395 Husky? Reason I ask is I’ve never see more then a top handled sized battery saw for a good reason the tech isn’t there to pull the bar length without a huge weight penalty. As far as chaps go have you ever through maybe they’re trying to sell you another product? Are most of these electric saw using a clutch or are they direct drive?

I have to agree, most of the battery ones seem smaller, cant imagine they have more torque, or more anything for that matter, than some of those big saws out there like you use.. or even the medium size ones like I use.

No. What I am telling you is that unlike a gas saw, where the torque goes to zero when the saw stalls (and it drops off rapidly as the engine slows below it's peak torque RPM), so it becomes easier and easier to stall as the engine slows down), an electric motor still makes torque when stopped as long as the "on" switch is activates (unless is overheats and fries itself). The reason that most chaps are not rated for electric saws is because of this. Will chaps still help? Probably. Is there a chance an electric saw could start moving again if the operator freaks out about the mistake and locks up his/her hand on the throttle? Yes.

Using chaps not rated for an electric saw is probably similar risk to using chaps that have taken a few hits with a gas saw: once some of those fibers are damaged, there is significantly lower chance that it will actually stall a gas saw, even if you hit some distance from the existing damage.

I'm not going to continue to debate this. You are free to make your own decisions. Wearing any chaps is certainly better than not wearing them, but there is a reason that some chaps are not rated for electric saws, and whether you choose to believe it or not, there is more of a reason than simply wanting to sell you a new pair of chaps.

It's possible that some day safeties will be included in electric chainsaw like what some table saws now have: they stop almost instantly on contact with flesh (I've seen is demonstrated using a hot dog to simulate flesh). I'm not aware of any saws incorporating this these days, but I suppose it's possible.

 

[hunt4570]

So all the videos I've seen pitting an electric and/or a gas saw against the chaps, the chaps stopped both with out getting through the chaps to skin or whatever. I'm thinking its just a lawsuit avoider clause..

 

[Loaderman22]

It's possible that some day safeties will be included in electric chainsaw like what some table saws now have: they stop almost instantly on contact with flesh (I've seen is demonstrated using a hot dog to simulate flesh). I'm not aware of any saws incorporating this these days, but I suppose it's possible.

Yes they do have table saws that stop the blade once an electric circuit of sorts is completed by your finger/hand/whatever. And yes it would be great to still have your finger, but it also severely damages the saw, I believe it more or less ruins it. It damages a lot of internal components and shears something vital in the motor. But yes that may be a possibility for an electric/battery saw in the future. For a gas saw, that would have to be a different method since its set up a bit different.

Yes Skeans, your saws have tons of torque provided the clutch is tight and functioning properly, but if your clutch is shot, the chain doesn't move the same because it slips just like a car/truck. Chaps work to disrupt the clutch and bind it up with all the little strings and fibers in the chaps. Yes they also wrap around the chain and that helps also. With an electric saw, there isn't the same clutch setup, the motor is more direct drive so the fibers of the chaps have to rely on just wrapping up the chain, which isn't as effective. Now this is what "I remember" being explained to me when I was trained by Stihl about 25 years ago. Not sure about todays battery saws, but we were told that the electric saws then were more dangerous than gas because the chaps weren't as effective at slowing the chain. Of course sound mind should always be your first line of protection.

I say in my house, almost daily, "There is no substitute for safety or manners".

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Yes they do have table saws that stop the blade once an electric circuit of sorts is completed by your finger/hand/whatever. And yes it would be great to still have your finger, but it also severely damages the saw, I believe it more or less ruins it. It damages a lot of internal components and shears something vital in the motor. But yes that may be a possibility for an electric/battery saw in the future. For a gas saw, that would have to be a different method since its set up a bit different.

Yes Skeans, your saws have tons of torque provided the clutch is tight and functioning properly, but if your clutch is shot, the chain doesn't move the same because it slips just like a car/truck. Chaps work to disrupt the clutch and bind it up with all the little strings and fibers in the chaps. Yes they also wrap around the chain and that helps also. With an electric saw, there isn't the same clutch setup, the motor is more direct drive so the fibers of the chaps have to rely on just wrapping up the chain, which isn't as effective. Now this is what "I remember" being explained to me when I was trained by Stihl about 25 years ago. Not sure about todays battery saws, but we were told that the electric saws then were more dangerous than gas because the chaps weren't as effective at slowing the chain. Of course sound mind should always be your first line of protection.

I say in my house, almost daily, "There is no substitute for safety or manners".

The saws you're thinking of are "Sawstop". Aside from the safety aspect they are also one of the best saws on the market.

It does not ruin the saw, but you do have to purchase a new "cartridge" for it. Small price to pay for a saved finger.

 

[Loaderman22]

The saws you're thinking of are "Sawstop". Aside from the safety aspect they are also one of the best saws on the market.

It does not ruin the saw, but you do have to purchase a new "cartridge" for it. Small price to pay for a saved finger.

ehhh, I got nine more...

 

[aeblank]

The ones I've seen jam a chunk of aluminum into the blade....

Not good for the blade, but good for fingers. My dad ran his finger into a table saw blade once. That wasn't a good night. Hitting the bone kicked it out. Not cool.

 

[Molalla1]

Molalla1 you're right I don't cut much compared to some, about 2 cords plus pruning and some storm cleanup. When you get up towards 80 (I'm 79) ,pulling a trigger sure beats pulling a rope. I used to do a lot more but that is another story.​

As far as the chaps go, I wear them when falling and working in brush but on the one video I saw the guy didn't let up on the trigger. With a battery powered saw you lit off the trigger the chain stops within 3-4 inches and if the saw is not where I want it I let off the trigger and it stops. I've been using chainsaws for almost 70 years and have not been cut by one yet, KOW. Limbs, trees, bugs, BEES etc. have got me but not a chainsaw.
Joe

I'm 78 so I hear you brother . . .

 

[IXLR8]

Yes they do have table saws that stop the blade once an electric circuit of sorts is completed by your finger/hand/whatever. And yes it would be great to still have your finger, but it also severely damages the saw, I believe it more or less ruins it.

Where I last worked, all the table saws were the SawStop saws, I was told the insurance company required them. The cartridge that stops the blade is a one time use only and is trashed to stop the blade. I believe it costs about $125 to replace, as others have said, mighty cheap insurance to save a finger/hand.