Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Hay Dude]

We will have to see how it scales. Rough math we have 285 mil registered vehicles in the US. If 40% of these are EV with say a 90kwh battery and we say on average charge 40% per day (hopefully it is less). That would be an additional 5.15 billion kilowatts (5.15 million megawatts, 515,000 gigawatts) of electricity needed from the grid per day. The average nuclear plant makes about 15 gigawatts per day. So we would need another 34,000 nuclear power plants to meet the demand. Has anyone seen real solutions to this issue?

Solutions?
We dont need no stinkin solutions!
Pay the bill for it later with raised taxes

And besides, ALL EVs charge at night, when electricity is cheaper! lol

 

[Jchonline]

I tell my kids who are about to turn 24 that we are in no man land on what will pan out of the current state of flux.

By the time they turn 35 there should be some clarity in a financial sense energy wise.

Roof top solar installed today is going to lead to to some foreclosures. The ads running about Free Money for homeowners who put on roof top solar indicates to me to expect Fraudulent activities are in play.

Some of these homes may rot down due to leaks. These 30 year warranties from defunct solar installers will be worthless.

Lenders may get stuck with the cost of making some of these homes resellable.

In my view the risk to buy an EV from an EV start up like GM, Ford, etc is over top until they control their battery supply and stop lossing money on EVs.

EVs will be here to stay when they can be purchased for $15K and will last 15 years.

Charging at home is the ONLY option I have today.

Today when it comes to renewables and EVs we have a ton of questions and next to no answers.

Yes the irony for me is I live off grid, but absolutely must have a ICE vehicle because to fuel the EV it would cost an astronomical amount. Not to mention high altitude mountain weather killing the discharge on a Lithium battery, blizzards, and all kinds of stuff an EV is just not ready to take on. However most of our power and pollution comes from cities so if we can use them there to make significant reductions...it is a start.

My fear is the cities push everyone to EV but they don't consider the rural needs and we get screwed.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yes the irony for me is I live off grid, but absolutely must have a ICE vehicle because to fuel the EV it would cost an astronomical amount. Not to mention high altitude mountain weather killing the discharge on a Lithium battery, blizzards, and all kinds of stuff an EV is just not ready to take on. However most of our power and pollution comes from cities so if we can use them there to make significant reductions...it is a start.

My fear is the cities push everyone to EV but they don't consider the rural needs and we get screwed.

Just read an article that said 52% of pollution in the atmosphere comes from just 25 large cities in the world.
Guess how many are in the USA? NONE
Guess how many are in China? 23 of 25!

Maybe we oughta focus our ire at them instead of us?

 

[goeduck]

Good things don’t last forever but here’s an interesting article about some guy who never paid to charge his EVs for three years and why giving away free EV charging still makes those places money:

Why There's A Ton Of Free EV Charging In My Region - CleanTechnica

Support CleanTechnica's work through a Substack subscription or on Stripe. After I wrote an article about spending $0 charging a couple of electric cars over nearly 3 years in Florida, some commenters chimed in with “friendly” (or not so friendly) criticism that I shouldn’t be grubbing off of...

cleantechnica.com

That is a lot time and money spent shopping. If he is buying things he does not need just to get free charging, I do not see the point. If he is milling around stores not buying anything, he is a moocher and the stores will start charging if too many people do the same.

 

[lman]

We will have to see how it scales. Rough math we have 285 mil registered vehicles in the US. If 40% of these are EV with say a 90kwh battery and we say on average charge 40% per day (hopefully it is less). That would be an additional 5.15 billion kilowatts (5.15 million megawatts, 515,000 gigawatts) of electricity needed from the grid per day. The average nuclear plant makes about 15 gigawatts per day. So we would need another 34,000 nuclear power plants to meet the demand. Has anyone seen real solutions to this issue?

Bicycles and horses. The Amish are modern.

 

[goeduck]

Just read an article that said 52% of pollution in the atmosphere comes from just 25 large cities in the world.
Guess how many are in the USA? NONE
Guess how many are in China? 23 of 25!

Maybe we oughta focus our ire at them instead of us?

Interesting. I googled the subject and saw the articles. P.C.A does not hold China accountable.

 

[Hay Dude]

Bicycles and horses. The Amish are modern.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Hear A Glorious 27-Liter Twin-Turbo V12 Tank Engine Start Up In A Ford Crown Victoria

Interesting for gear heads missing the past.

If I run upon good V12 from GM built in the early 60's it would be tempting.

It was two GMC V6 truck engines with one crank.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This illustrates the difference in logic flow of an EV designed by an EV maker vs an EV designed by an ICE maker.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

From a practicality standpoint, a cop bringing a patrol car home means he could be dispatched quickly if needed. Seems to be common-sense. However, in today’s cop-hating atmosphere in most of the media, one has to wonder if the faculty lounge types won’t be looking closely at it as a “tax law violation” of some kind. Another way to put cops in bad publicity.

If an officer is on call, the car is part of the job, not part of the paycheck.

 

[3930dave]

Hear A Glorious 27-Liter Twin-Turbo V12 Tank Engine Start Up In A Ford Crown Victoria

Interesting for gear heads missing the past.

If I run upon good V12 from GM built in the early 60's it would be tempting.

It was two GMC V6 truck engines with one crank.

Did you drink nitro-methane for breakfast today Gate ????

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

My fear is the cities push everyone to ___________ but they don't consider the rural needs and we get screwed.

Given the macro-trends of the last 40 years..... definitely concerning.

Nicely done BTW, living off-grid .

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

That is a lot time and money spent shopping. If he is buying things he does not need just to get free charging, I do not see the point. If he is milling around stores not buying anything, he is a moocher and the stores will start charging if too many people do the same.

Throughout History, the idle-rich have had various ways to While away the Time.

Must be nice, to be able to watch time slide by like that.....

Rgds, D.

 

[MoKelly]

But i do like chinese food. So there is that

If you are like me, you like US version of Chinese food.

Actual Chinese food is not so great.

MoKelly

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Did you drink nitro-methane for breakfast today Gate ????

Rgds, D.

No. I guess it's just GT's Synergy raw kombucha California Citrus kicking in.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Toyota-Panasonic's Battery JV To Halve Costs By 2022

Not sure about the meaning of this story. I had heard Panasonic raised over 3 billion dollars selling their interest in Tesla so maybe it was to finance this JV with Toyota. I think it is going to take a lot of effort if they are able to knock China off as the king of the EV battery source.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Great Salt Lake is shrinking fast. Scientists demand action before it becomes a toxic dustbin | CNN

Great Salt Lake is also known as America's Dead Sea -- owing to a likeness to its much smaller Middle Eastern counterpart -- but scientists worry the moniker could soon take new meaning.

www.cnn.com

Giant desert solar farms might have unintended climate consequences | Trellis

Turning deserts into solar energy farms could raise temperatures across the globe and cause devastating droughts in the Amazon.

www.greenbiz.com

What if an unnatural fear of fossil fuel is about to do in the human race?

If the Sahara Desert was a tropical zone until 5,000 years ago can that massive climate change be blamed on man?

How did all of that fossil fuel get under the desert in the first place?

What if we are trying to fix a Planet that's not broken but just doing her normal billion year cycle?

If we can pump crude oil from 5 miles beneath the surface of the Earth how in the heck did it get there?

I think we've been operating on the SWAG method too long.

WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE THAN JUST GUESSING ABOUT OUR PAST AND OUR PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE.

We're going to continue all this current move to save the planet and I'm fine with that but I think we need to get some more answers before we make the planet worse then it is already.

 

[grsthegreat]

Read that article about giant solar farms. Now i wonder if the huge solar arreys in calif are affecting their severe heat. I swear you cant win. Burning coal causes global temp rise. Going solar causes global temp rise.

i need to move to the top of a mountain and dig a cave.

 

[Hay Dude]

Read that article about giant solar farms. Now i wonder if the huge solar arreys in calif are affecting their severe heat. I swear you cant win. Burning coal causes global temp rise. Going solar causes global temp rise.

i need to move to the top of a mountain and dig a cave.

What if an attempt to throw all the money we throw at solar (Solyndra, et al) were thrown at making fossil fuels, like NG, burn cleanly?
There's enough NG under Pennsylvania alone to heat the world for about 500 years and we cant figure out a way to make it burn clean with all the money we spent on solar?
Like why throw out decades of infrastructure, fracking expertise, employee knowledge, power plants already built, pipelines already in place, railroads & railcars and ships for shipping on what I still think is not man caused, but like Gale said, probably an earth cycle.

If you make FF's burn clean with technology, we help the environment and save lots of money. Solar aint gonna work. It might help, but tis not the answer and is in itself an environmental risk

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Great Salt Lake is shrinking fast. Scientists demand action before it becomes a toxic dustbin | CNN

Great Salt Lake is also known as America's Dead Sea -- owing to a likeness to its much smaller Middle Eastern counterpart -- but scientists worry the moniker could soon take new meaning.

www.cnn.com

Giant desert solar farms might have unintended climate consequences | Trellis

Turning deserts into solar energy farms could raise temperatures across the globe and cause devastating droughts in the Amazon.

www.greenbiz.com

What if an unnatural fear of fossil fuel is about to do in the human race?

If the Sahara Desert was a tropical zone until 5,000 years ago can that massive climate change be blamed on man?

How did all of that fossil fuel get under the desert in the first place?

What if we are trying to fix a Planet that's not broken but just doing her normal billion year cycle?

If we can pump crude oil from 5 miles beneath the surface of the Earth how in the heck did it get there?

I think we've been operating on the SWAG method too long.

WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE THAN JUST GUESSING ABOUT OUR PAST AND OUR PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE.

We're going to continue all this current move to save the planet and I'm fine with that but I think we need to get some more answers before we make the planet worse then it is already.

Some scientists go so far as to theorize oil is a by product of the Earth's inner core spinning... Who really knows? The Earth is 4 billion years old; what goes around comes around...