Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[sd455dan]

Great Salt Lake is shrinking fast. Scientists demand action before it becomes a toxic dustbin | CNN

Great Salt Lake is also known as America's Dead Sea -- owing to a likeness to its much smaller Middle Eastern counterpart -- but scientists worry the moniker could soon take new meaning.

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Giant desert solar farms might have unintended climate consequences | Trellis

Turning deserts into solar energy farms could raise temperatures across the globe and cause devastating droughts in the Amazon.

www.greenbiz.com

What if an unnatural fear of fossil fuel is about to do in the human race?

If the Sahara Desert was a tropical zone until 5,000 years ago can that massive climate change be blamed on man?

How did all of that fossil fuel get under the desert in the first place?

What if we are trying to fix a Planet that's not broken but just doing her normal billion year cycle?

If we can pump crude oil from 5 miles beneath the surface of the Earth how in the heck did it get there?

I think we've been operating on the SWAG method too long.

WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE THAN JUST GUESSING ABOUT OUR PAST AND OUR PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE.

We're going to continue all this current move to save the planet and I'm fine with that but I think we need to get some more answers before we make the planet worse then it is already.

They need to work on changing the solar panels to white for the big farms and mimic the polar ice cap snow.

White Solar Panels Could Blend in With Buildings, Cool Them Down

A Swiss company has developed the world's first white solar panels that are not only more efficient but more pleasing to the eye as well.

www.treehugger.com

 

[Jchonline]

This is why I still think solar on houses, buildings, businesses should be about as far as we take it. I don't like solar farms at all. You can get about 8kw of panels on 500 sqft of roof. My garage has 500 sqft on 1 side, way more room on the house. Most homes could probably take 20kw of panels. Sure those would not always point the most efficient direction for max insolation, but the collective of every home/business with them would produce what we need.

 

[Oaktree]

In my view the risk to buy an EV from an EV start up like GM, Ford, etc is over top until they control their battery supply and stop lossing money on EVs.

EVs will be here to stay when they can be purchased for $15K and will last 15 years.

Charging at home is the ONLY option I have today.

Today when it comes to renewables and EVs we have a ton of questions and next to no answers.

I don't think a $15k vehicle is viable...you can't get a decent ICE vehicle for under $25k. Yes, EVs will come down in price, and become less of a tech toy, but I don't see them taking over for a long time, if ever for reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Charging is obviously the biggest stumbling block...it's gotta be able to be done faster or these are going to be city/suburbanite cars. Not everyone is going to be able to have a 220v charger at their home.

I don't see that losing money on EVs is any more a problem for Ford, GM, etc than for anyone else. No one is currently making a profit selling these cars, including Tesla. And Tesla needs to learn how to build a decent quality vehicle if they want to be in the game for the long haul. Less gimmickry, better quality.
The "traditional" automakers know how to make a vehicle that will last 15+ years...they've all been doing it for a long time. I'm more concerned about obsolescence...10 years from now will a 2020 EV be the equivalent of Windows 98?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I don't think a $15k vehicle is viable...you can't get a decent ICE vehicle for under $25k. Yes, EVs will come down in price, and become less of a tech toy, but I don't see them taking over for a long time, if ever for reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Charging is obviously the biggest stumbling block...it's gotta be able to be done faster or these are going to be city/suburbanite cars. Not everyone is going to be able to have a 220v charger at their home.

I don't see that losing money on EVs is any more a problem for Ford, GM, etc than for anyone else. No one is currently making a profit selling these cars, including Tesla. And Tesla needs to learn how to build a decent quality vehicle if they want to be in the game for the long haul. Less gimmickry, better quality.
The "traditional" automakers know how to make a vehicle that will last 15+ years...they've all been doing it for a long time. I'm more concerned about obsolescence...10 years from now will a 2020 EV be the equivalent of Windows 98?

Oaktree what evidence do you offer that "traditional" automakers know how to an EV that will last 15+ years ?

 

[Jchonline]

Oaktree what evidence do you offer that "traditional" automakers know how to an EV that will last 15+ years ?

I have seen a number of first hand reports with Tesla's "quality". It seems like they have the best software and features on the market, but the quality and fit/finish just isn't there yet. Seams not lining up, mirrors not properly attached to a vehicle, interior panels not aligned, etc. I haven't see that in a GM, Ford, etc vehicle in a very long time. Perhaps this is what he is referring to.

That said back to the software/features...I am inclined to believe Tesla will do a far superior job with all of the tech and future software updates...that is their strength. GM, Ford, and the traditional aren't software manufacturers...they have some real hacked stuff that has been put out for years. I seriously doubt they will do a good job at it.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Eviation Rolls Out 100% Electric Airplane Alice's Production Version

Wow this could be huge.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Great Salt Lake is shrinking fast. Scientists demand action before it becomes a toxic dustbin | CNN

Great Salt Lake is also known as America's Dead Sea -- owing to a likeness to its much smaller Middle Eastern counterpart -- but scientists worry the moniker could soon take new meaning.

www.cnn.com

Giant desert solar farms might have unintended climate consequences | Trellis

Turning deserts into solar energy farms could raise temperatures across the globe and cause devastating droughts in the Amazon.

www.greenbiz.com

What if an unnatural fear of fossil fuel is about to do in the human race?

If the Sahara Desert was a tropical zone until 5,000 years ago can that massive climate change be blamed on man?

How did all of that fossil fuel get under the desert in the first place?

What if we are trying to fix a Planet that's not broken but just doing her normal billion year cycle?

If we can pump crude oil from 5 miles beneath the surface of the Earth how in the heck did it get there?

I think we've been operating on the SWAG method too long.

WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE THAN JUST GUESSING ABOUT OUR PAST AND OUR PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE.

We're going to continue all this current move to save the planet and I'm fine with that but I think we need to get some more answers before we make the planet worse then it is already.

Thirty years ago they were sandbagging Temple Square and everyone was thrilled that the Bonneville Salt Flats were under water, which would resurface their raceways with a fresh layer of salt. One of these days floods will be back, the Salton Sea will fill up again, and the problem will be what to do with too much water.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I don't think a $15k vehicle is viable...you can't get a decent ICE vehicle for under $25k. Yes, EVs will come down in price, and become less of a tech toy, but I don't see them taking over for a long time, if ever for reasons mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Charging is obviously the biggest stumbling block...it's gotta be able to be done faster or these are going to be city/suburbanite cars. Not everyone is going to be able to have a 220v charger at their home.

I don't see that losing money on EVs is any more a problem for Ford, GM, etc than for anyone else. No one is currently making a profit selling these cars, including Tesla. And Tesla needs to learn how to build a decent quality vehicle if they want to be in the game for the long haul. Less gimmickry, better quality.
The "traditional" automakers know how to make a vehicle that will last 15+ years...they've all been doing it for a long time. I'm more concerned about obsolescence...10 years from now will a 2020 EV be the equivalent of Windows 98?

BYD Dolphin Will Be A $15,500 800V EV With Up to 400 Km of Range

BYD is similar to Tesla but is more vertically integrated. Warren Buffett is a large long term BYD investor.

 

[3930dave]

BYD Dolphin Will Be A $15,500 800V EV With Up to 400 Km of Range

BYD is similar to Tesla but is more vertically integrated. Warren Buffett is a large long term BYD investor.

China/Asia alone would keep them busy for a long time.

That would be a great option to have here, but I suspect if it did land in NA, it would be much higher $$$.

That seems light...... not sure what the Chinese have for Crash Standards (if any), so I'd expect our version to be heavier in lb and $$$$.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The Hopium Alpha 0 From France Is Redefining What We Think About Hydrogen Power @ Top Speed

With enough time, money and skills Hydrogen will happen I expect for some.

 

[3930dave]

Oaktree what evidence do you offer that "traditional" automakers know how to an EV that will last 15+ years ?

IMO, any competent manufacturer could do it.

Doing it at a mass-market cost.... that's harder.

I want less tech in vehicles (DreamerDave hallucinating again.....), for a few reasons. All else equal, Less Complexity drives Longevity, and as a bonus, its little-brother - UpTime....

On a relatively simple high-volume EV, the short and long term wear items (brakes, bearings) could be covered by the aftermarket, and also the critical battery pack.

Thin-odds for my perfect EV world though..... lots of reasons to add cost; not all are manufacturer controlled unfortunately.

Today..... Software...... Sadly, I can think of a few major vectors that may well create a future EV market that will be hard to distinguish (product-cycle wise) from the cell-phone market.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

China/Asia alone would keep them busy for a long time.

That would be a great option to have here, but I suspect if it did land in NA, it would be much higher $$$.

That seems light...... not sure what the Chinese have for Crash Standards (if any), so I'd expect our version to be heavier in lb and $$$$.

Rgds, D.

I expect you may be right. If BYD does well in the EC and AU they may come to USA. Well they do have a city bus factory in CALIFORNIA currently.

BYD is the skate board under the new line of Toyota EVs that came out of the blue I read.

 

[3930dave]

BYD is the skate board under the new line of Toyota EVs that came out of the blue I read.

History tends to repeat..... given how PRC took over the electronics industry, it is somewhat inevitable with EVs.

High marks, if they've gotten past both Buffet and Toyota's Engineering reviews.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

IMO, any competent manufacturer could do it.

Doing it at a mass-market cost.... that's harder.

I want less tech in vehicles (DreamerDave hallucinating again.....), for a few reasons. All else equal, Less Complexity drives Longevity, and as a bonus, its little-brother - UpTime....

On a relatively simple high-volume EV, the short and long term wear items (brakes, bearings) could be covered by the aftermarket, and also the critical battery pack.

Thin-odds for my perfect EV world though..... lots of reasons to add cost; not all are manufacturer controlled unfortunately.

Today..... Software...... Sadly, I can think of a few major vectors that may well create a future EV market that will be hard to distinguish (product-cycle wise) from the cell-phone market.

Rgds, D.

I expect you will be in luck soon.

For me our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 2020 150 mile range battery works well for the two 30 mile daily trips in a technical and financial sense. My dream is an EV that I can get in and out of that has Full Self Driving. Tesla is the only option but in 4-5 years that may change.

 

[MossRoad]

I'm fairly certain I'd fall asleep with a self driving system.

 

[3930dave]

I'm fairly certain I'd fall asleep with a self driving system.

If the manufacturer will fully own the driving (legally), then it would be of interest to me. Short of that, I wouldn't activate it.

Rgds, D.

 

[Hay Dude]

I enjoy driving, so to me, taking that away from us is a downgrade in civilization. Having is as an option would be best.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

My strong desire not to cripple or to kill a human being including myself drives my FSD interest.

 

[3930dave]

I enjoy driving, so to me, taking that away from us is a downgrade in civilization. Having is as an option would be best.

Sometimes I have to remind myself, when I'm drifting off into statistical minority (I'm with you....).

Given how much of the population's life-goals are centred on staring at screens, alternating with texting...... I can see where autonomous driving will ramp quickly.

Rgds, D.

 

[Hay Dude]

Sometimes I have to remind myself, when I'm drifting off into statistical minority (I'm with you....).

Given how much of the population's life-goals are centred on staring at screens, alternating with texting...... I can see where autonomous driving will ramp quickly.

Rgds, D.

I think it’s kinda sad if you are correct and the statistical majority wants autonomous driving.
Geeze, I thought it was sad that most kids today (and some adults) can’t drive a clutch