Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[3930dave]

Oaktree what evidence do you offer that "traditional" automakers know how to an EV that will last 15+ years ?

IMO, any competent manufacturer could do it.

Doing it at a mass-market cost.... that's harder.

I want less tech in vehicles (DreamerDave hallucinating again.....), for a few reasons. All else equal, Less Complexity drives Longevity, and as a bonus, its little-brother - UpTime....

On a relatively simple high-volume EV, the short and long term wear items (brakes, bearings) could be covered by the aftermarket, and also the critical battery pack.

Thin-odds for my perfect EV world though..... lots of reasons to add cost; not all are manufacturer controlled unfortunately.

Today..... Software...... Sadly, I can think of a few major vectors that may well create a future EV market that will be hard to distinguish (product-cycle wise) from the cell-phone market.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

China/Asia alone would keep them busy for a long time.

That would be a great option to have here, but I suspect if it did land in NA, it would be much higher $$$.

That seems light...... not sure what the Chinese have for Crash Standards (if any), so I'd expect our version to be heavier in lb and $$$$.

Rgds, D.

I expect you may be right. If BYD does well in the EC and AU they may come to USA. Well they do have a city bus factory in CALIFORNIA currently.

BYD is the skate board under the new line of Toyota EVs that came out of the blue I read.

 

[3930dave]

BYD is the skate board under the new line of Toyota EVs that came out of the blue I read.

History tends to repeat..... given how PRC took over the electronics industry, it is somewhat inevitable with EVs.

High marks, if they've gotten past both Buffet and Toyota's Engineering reviews.

Rgds, D.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

IMO, any competent manufacturer could do it.

Doing it at a mass-market cost.... that's harder.

I want less tech in vehicles (DreamerDave hallucinating again.....), for a few reasons. All else equal, Less Complexity drives Longevity, and as a bonus, its little-brother - UpTime....

On a relatively simple high-volume EV, the short and long term wear items (brakes, bearings) could be covered by the aftermarket, and also the critical battery pack.

Thin-odds for my perfect EV world though..... lots of reasons to add cost; not all are manufacturer controlled unfortunately.

Today..... Software...... Sadly, I can think of a few major vectors that may well create a future EV market that will be hard to distinguish (product-cycle wise) from the cell-phone market.

Rgds, D.

I expect you will be in luck soon.

For me our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL with the 2020 150 mile range battery works well for the two 30 mile daily trips in a technical and financial sense. My dream is an EV that I can get in and out of that has Full Self Driving. Tesla is the only option but in 4-5 years that may change.

 

[MossRoad]

I'm fairly certain I'd fall asleep with a self driving system.

 

[3930dave]

I'm fairly certain I'd fall asleep with a self driving system.

If the manufacturer will fully own the driving (legally), then it would be of interest to me. Short of that, I wouldn't activate it.

Rgds, D.

 

[Hay Dude]

I enjoy driving, so to me, taking that away from us is a downgrade in civilization. Having is as an option would be best.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

My strong desire not to cripple or to kill a human being including myself drives my FSD interest.

 

[3930dave]

I enjoy driving, so to me, taking that away from us is a downgrade in civilization. Having is as an option would be best.

Sometimes I have to remind myself, when I'm drifting off into statistical minority (I'm with you....).

Given how much of the population's life-goals are centred on staring at screens, alternating with texting...... I can see where autonomous driving will ramp quickly.

Rgds, D.

 

[Hay Dude]

Sometimes I have to remind myself, when I'm drifting off into statistical minority (I'm with you....).

Given how much of the population's life-goals are centred on staring at screens, alternating with texting...... I can see where autonomous driving will ramp quickly.

Rgds, D.

I think it’s kinda sad if you are correct and the statistical majority wants autonomous driving.
Geeze, I thought it was sad that most kids today (and some adults) can’t drive a clutch