Mower deck wash ?

   / Mower deck wash ? #41  
And you believe a video where the guy drills a hole in the spindle housing for a weep hole that can allow water and other contamination inside the housing. Drives the shaft out with a hammer, and I know for a fact with that spindle the shaft is now bent. And then plies the seal out that easily and you think that grease can't get past it. And then says the overfilling will press the bearing out. maybe if he hadn't removed the inner seals, but in this case it now pops the outer seal out and create more issues than he fixed. And the housing doesn't have to be full of grease to do it. Just the resulting air pressure increase will pop out the seals. And then proceeds to tap the bearing back in with hammer where any body that sells bearings will tell you is a no-no because it can cause flat spots on the balls.

Murray conducted testing years ago where they put one color grease in the housing and another in the bearings, and then ran them for several hours and then removed the bearings from the housing and disassembled the bearings and determined that the two greases had mixed because the grease inside the bearing was a corresponding color of the two mixed greases.
You sir have no idea what you are talking about when you quote, bending the shaft with a rubber hammer ! This guy took the time to do this the correct way to remove and replace the bearings on this spindle, Could have been pressed out with an arbor press but for the small sized of spindle he had it is not worth the time. And i love your flat spots on the balls of the bearing, you could not put a flat spot on the ball of a bearing even if you had a single ball and hit it with a sledge hammer!! not possible. And for the relief hole, that is a good idea so if pressure does build up it has a place to go. I was machinist for 40 yrs and depending on the situation that occurs, there are times you have to do what it takes to remove and replace bearings of all sizes. You sir have never taken apart a spindle or anything related to one to remove bearings, your opinion is best kept to yourself !! Also you say dirt can get in, it will not the grease that is there will keep it out !!!
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #42  
That ought to do it!
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #43  
You sir have no idea what you are talking about when you quote, bending the shaft with a rubber hammer ! This guy took the time to do this the correct way to remove and replace the bearings on this spindle, Could have been pressed out with an arbor press but for the small sized of spindle he had it is not worth the time. And i love your flat spots on the balls of the bearing, you could not put a flat spot on the ball of a bearing even if you had a single ball and hit it with a sledge hammer!! not possible. And for the relief hole, that is a good idea so if pressure does build up it has a place to go. I was machinist for 40 yrs and depending on the situation that occurs, there are times you have to do what it takes to remove and replace bearings of all sizes. You sir have never taken apart a spindle or anything related to one to remove bearings, your opinion is best kept to yourself !! Also you say dirt can get in, it will not the grease that is there will keep it out !!!
WOW attacking a fellow forum member without even knowing anything about him.
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #44  
Watched the controversial video. Seems like a nice person, not really the person who knows his way around OPE spindles though. If he were to have purchased the OEM HOP spindle, the lower bearing would not have had the seal. Traditionally the inconsistent load on the spindle is at the lower end, thus the larger bearing in this case. Fun fact: Even non lubeable HOP spindles have fewer bearing failures than many. There is absolutely no reason to pack a blade spindle solid with grease. If you want to feel good about hitting them with 10 shots of grease every now and then, you've more than done your part. These things are not supporting a ton of weight nor deal with a ton of force.
Another bit of useful info. Light duty Deere bearings on the entry level models and even light X Series decks are both too small. They are similar in size to the upper of the HOP spindle. Deere will use a different bearing seal in the lowers. Strangely, more Deere upper bearings fail than uppers in anything else I work on. Do I think for a minute that if I displaced every last bit of air in the spindle housing jammed with grease that it would extend upper bearing life or blowout the bearings? Both are equally as laughable.
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #45  
You sir have no idea what you are talking about when you quote, bending the shaft with a rubber hammer ! This guy took the time to do this the correct way to remove and replace the bearings on this spindle, Could have been pressed out with an arbor press but for the small sized of spindle he had it is not worth the time. And i love your flat spots on the balls of the bearing, you could not put a flat spot on the ball of a bearing even if you had a single ball and hit it with a sledge hammer!! not possible. And for the relief hole, that is a good idea so if pressure does build up it has a place to go. I was machinist for 40 yrs and depending on the situation that occurs, there are times you have to do what it takes to remove and replace bearings of all sizes. You sir have never taken apart a spindle or anything related to one to remove bearings, your opinion is best kept to yourself !! Also you say dirt can get in, it will not the grease that is there will keep it out !!!
Been a mower technician for the past 23 years so I have taken apart hundreds of spindles and replaced even more bearings, So your machinist experience is worthless. So keep your incorrect opinions to yourself.
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #46  
I occasionally pressure wash the underside of my decks with a 4 nozzle wheeled wand - usually when I can't avoid cutting wet grass, or in the fall before packing the mowers up. I have over 4000 hours across 3 machines with no spindle failures.
My personal opinion (not based upon facts) is that most spindle failures occur due to poor blade maintenance, balance issues, or inadequate greasing.
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #47  
Interesting thread....
In the 27 years I have owned my JD430 with the 60" deck, in about 1000 hours of use I had one spindle bearing fail, around 900 hours, even though I greased them regularly. I rebuilt all three spindles and idler pulley as a preventative measure and they have been good since.
As for cleaning the underside of the deck, I only cleaned it once a year when I took the deck off the sharpen the blades and put the snow blower on the tractor. I do blow the tractor and the top of the deck off with compressed air after ever mowing session. There was rarely more than a small amount of grass stuck to the underside. I don't mow wet grass, I have removed the discharge chute, and the tractor is stored inside, so it has virtually no rust on it, even on the underside. I have been thinking about disassembling it and having it powder coated like the snow blower and metal tractor parts, strictly for appearance sake.
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #48  
WOW attacking a fellow forum member without even knowing anything about him.
No not attack but call BS when we see it. I also know you are not going to bent a shaft hitting it with a rubber hammer. That is pure BS. Being in the metal trade from the time I was 18 until I retired at age 53 and moved to the Caribbean and still doing some specialty welding and small machining I call BS.. We should not be expected to pat everyone on the back and except everything someone posts. We all have been wrong about things in life and we learn by being corrected by someone who knows. This gentleman needs to be corrected
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #49  
I use red tacky grease I find that works best for me on most everything for the last several years and water doesn't seem to effect it good luck
 
   / Mower deck wash ? #50  
Referred to as sealed bearings, but not exactly sealed. More like dust covers to keep most of the junk out. And studies were conducted years ago, that when they used one color grease inside the bearing and another color grease in the grease zerk, they found that there was some mixing of the two inside the bearing.

Something people don't realize also this same concept applies to ATV and UTV bearings on axles and differentials. The seals are designed to keep the oil in, but when dunked in cold water will cause water and other debris to be sucked past the seal, quickly leading to bearing failures.
Sealed bearings (as shown) really are sealed. Shielded bearings are not.

The seal of a sealed bearing as shown in the spindle bearing video keeps grease in the bearing which would be thrown out in normal use. It is not a robust seal to protect against the elements. Disappointing that mower spindles do not have an external 2nd seal the way motorcycles and ATVs have. Even street motorcycles.

I have seen a few Country Clipper spindles. Sealed bearings. No zerk fittings. The zerk fittings in the video are useless but for “feel good” factor. Make someone feel good about doing the right thing servicing their machine without actually doing anything useful. Just like ethanol in gasoline makes people believe they are saving the environment or something.

The external seal on motorcycle and ATV wears and quits sealling. Otherwise it does a good job protecting against “cold water”. Even worn it provides a shield lessening the amount of crud reaching the bearing seal. The right thing to do installing new or prepping a new motorcycle is to pack the space between sealed bearing and external seal with waterproof/marine grease. This lubricates the seal and provides yet another barrier before crud can reach the bearing.

The wrong headed person in the video did not bend the spindle tapping on it with a soft hammer. Is not the preferable means to extract a bearing one wishes to reuse, a purist would use a press. The issue is hitting the inner race of bearing to extract the outer race. Ball bearings are held to millionths of an inch, little things matter. But I am far from convinced his hammer abused the bearing anywhere near what the bearing gets holding a blade hitting things we all hit with mowers no matter how much care. Motorcycle wheel bearings are usually much tighter in the hub and very likely to be destroyed using a drift to drive out from the inner race. If I remove, I replace with new. I can pull the outer seal to inspect, clean, and/or add grease without removing the bearing.

The primary reason to add grease to bearings is to push crud out of the bearing. No way is the pressure of grease going to push his bearings out when clamped on both ends by the spindle. Seals without supplementary retainers will come out, which is bad. Is desirable to push old grease out the seal. His stupid weep hole is exactly the thing which will vent pressure preventing new grease from reaching his bearings.

Many motorcyclists rant about how little grease they find in “cheap” sealed wheel bearings, even in premium brand new motorcycles and OE replacement bearings. It doesn’t take much grease to do the job and too much grease in a high speed bearing only pops the seals out. “Too much” is ok in a low speed bearing.
 

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