Earth's Hottest Month

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   / Earth's Hottest Month #41  
This thread would be easier to accept if we (south Texas) didn't have one of the coldest winters on record or coolest and wettest summers. We typically hit the 100+ temps by late March or early April and continues into September. I don't remember it hitting 100 yet this year. And I'm still mowing grass. 😏
What YOU are looking at is called weather and it happens outside YOUR window. Climate on the other hand affects large areas and is studied over many years to observe trends.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #42  
Most of the climate deniers have very valid claims. The earth has been much warmer, and cooler.
But at no time has such a large number of people lived so close the sea surface level.

There are many other "records" going back for thousands and millions of years.
Tree rings, ice cores, sedimentary records.

It's like using speed squares, yardsticks, lasers to measure distances between points on a table, a football field, in space.

As the earth warms this time it is going to cause billions of people to relocate as sea levels rise.

As human activity ADDS to and speeds up this warming there may be some chance to slow the rate increase.

But I don't hold out much hope. After watching the last two years of vaccine deniers I'm pretty sure Umericans will rationalize whatever happens. Science stands no chance against politics in the short term.

I've been hedging my bets by keeping our acreage in Mississippi, Virginia. and Vermont. I figured out one of those places will be livable as I get older.
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It's like seeing people die because they refused to get vaccinated, after a while I just give up and say they should have known better.
It is never that black and white, and people risk looking like they are superior when they say some to the things you have said here.

Fist to simplify, I have been vaccinated, and as early as I could without jumping the line. I got shot because I assessed the risk reward and made (what was in my case) the obvious choice.

It is certainly easy to say folks that don't get vaccinated are ignorant. It is also easy to say folks that don't believe we are the major cause of climate change aren't too bright.

The only problem is neither is true.

1. Our country such as it is, exists in large part due to folks that would rather die than give up their individual liberty to the elite in the government.
2. While the odds are with the vaccinated, certainly we have seen serious side effects (rare). And while very unlikely, there remains a chance of long term, unforeseen effects from the vaccine. An "anti-vaccer" that skipped the shot, got covid, and survived, would be a genius if he/she would have been one of the lucky few to pass of a blood clot related to the vaccine.
3. We are still discovering factors (currents, seasonal patters) and feed back loops today, and probably will for a while. I don't believe we have climate models that are anywhere near inclusive enough to predict a specific substances' (some produced by people some naturally occurring) impact.

Earth has seen fire and ice, and will see both again, we probably won't. It is possible that we could impact the time line by a week or month or year or 100 years, but, on a universal timeline, not even a blip.

In the case of vaccine, I took it, you should take it, and I tell everyone I know to get it unless they have a good reason not to. I would also do anything in my power to protect peoples right to make decisions about their life.

In the case of weather. It is not settled science, as simple and clean and easy as that would be.

Facts should be presented, discussions should be had. If the majority of citizens vote to elect representatives with the intention to try and control the climate so be it.

WHAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN:

1. We have no way to accurately blame every storm, fire, and tummy ache on climate change. Doing so indicates an agenda, and should show up as an opinion, not news.
2. The government should not use false (or real for that matter) crises to advance an agenda, pick winners in private industry, create a fiat currency (carbon credits), or make us beholden to others for our energy.

In the end, you might be the smartest guy in the room, and understand all of this complex stuff and see that it is really simple, and letting people vote, or make medical decisions is just too hard for the average American idiot.

Or maybe you haven't looked at all the possibilities, and done your due diligence to follow the money?

**** is never as clean and simple as the simple folks try to make...........

Best,

ed
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #44  
Reminds me of a previous post this morning:
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   / Earth's Hottest Month #45  
This thread would be easier to accept if we (south Texas) didn't have one of the coldest winters on record or coolest and wettest summers. We typically hit the 100+ temps by late March or early April and continues into September. I don't remember it hitting 100 yet this year. And I'm still mowing grass. 😏
That's because it went from 'cooling' to 'warming' to now just 'climate change'.

Also, when temps were first being recorded around 1850, it was right at the end of the 'Little Ice Age' which means we started out cooler then normal anyways. And not many years before that was the 'Year w/o a Summer' global cooling event that dropped the global temps by ~1*f that we also were still recovering from. Sure, we are supposedly higher in temps now than when these events started, but not by much, and the "highest recorded since the 1800's" temps are skewed as we started lower than normal to begin with.

edit: keyboard can't spell...
 
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   / Earth's Hottest Month #46  
Climate is what you expect.

Weather is what you get.


Bruce
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #47  
It is never that black and white, and people risk looking like they are superior when they say some to the things you have said here.

Fist to simplify, I have been vaccinated, and as early as I could without jumping the line. I got shot because I assessed the risk reward and made (what was in my case) the obvious choice.

It is certainly easy to say folks that don't get vaccinated are ignorant. It is also easy to say folks that don't believe we are the major cause of climate change aren't too bright.

The only problem is neither is true.

1. Our country such as it is, exists in large part due to folks that would rather die than give up their individual liberty to the elite in the government.
2. While the odds are with the vaccinated, certainly we have seen serious side effects (rare). And while very unlikely, there remains a chance of long term, unforeseen effects from the vaccine. An "anti-vaccer" that skipped the shot, got covid, and survived, would be a genius if he/she would have been one of the lucky few to pass of a blood clot related to the vaccine.
3. We are still discovering factors (currents, seasonal patters) and feed back loops today, and probably will for a while. I don't believe we have climate models that are anywhere near inclusive enough to predict a specific substances' (some produced by people some naturally occurring) impact.

Earth has seen fire and ice, and will see both again, we probably won't. It is possible that we could impact the time line by a week or month or year or 100 years, but, on a universal timeline, not even a blip.

In the case of vaccine, I took it, you should take it, and I tell everyone I know to get it unless they have a good reason not to. I would also do anything in my power to protect peoples right to make decisions about their life.

In the case of weather. It is not settled science, as simple and clean and easy as that would be.

Facts should be presented, discussions should be had. If the majority of citizens vote to elect representatives with the intention to try and control the climate so be it.

WHAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN:

1. We have no way to accurately blame every storm, fire, and tummy ache on climate change. Doing so indicates an agenda, and should show up as an opinion, not news.
2. The government should not use false (or real for that matter) crises to advance an agenda, pick winners in private industry, create a fiat currency (carbon credits), or make us beholden to others for our energy.

In the end, you might be the smartest guy in the room, and understand all of this complex stuff and see that it is really simple, and letting people vote, or make medical decisions is just too hard for the average American idiot.

Or maybe you haven't looked at all the possibilities, and done your due diligence to follow the money?

**** is never as clean and simple as the simple folks try to make...........

Best,

ed

. . . But, there are circumstances where the inability to reach a constructive conclusion can wipe out humanity. And there are those who frivolously ensure this inability is sustained.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #48  
FWIW...Bangor Maine recorded the coldest February ever this year...setting new all time records...
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #49  
If you look at everything going on today, there is a tendency to try to redefine terms, or use confusing terms. They used to refer to "Global Warming", when there was too much push back, they changed it to "Climate Change". Climates always change, so more people will be onboard with that, but they mean Climate Change in one temperature direction.
I try not to lose sleep over things that is outside of mankinds control.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #50  
. . . But, there are circumstances where the inability to reach a constructive conclusion can wipe out humanity. And there are those who frivolously ensure this inability is sustained.
To your first point, we probably haven't reached a constructive conclusion on nuclear weapons, and they could certainly cause a near extermination event.

Climate change?
If we were to commit all of our resources, we might be able to forestall/delay a climate that would be incompatible with human life. We all believe we are more important and powerful than we are.

Surely, even the most narcissistic politician/"scientist" doesn't believe we can control the climate indefinitely? We can't even get a little extra rain in Cali after all these years and investments in cloud seeding. The real question is: how much convenience/freedom would you give and ask others to give, for an additional 5 years of having Florida slightly above sea level?

To your second point, frivolous is in the eye of the beholder. The goal is always money/power, never cleaner air or more freedom for the people. People lie, use bad statistics, and suppress history because it works. Until that stops, we are individually responsible to look at the media with critical eyes, and follow the money around our elected officials before we take a position on an issue.

Best,

ed
 
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