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   / Earth's Hottest Month #81  
If people actually believed that the sea levels are going to rise, why do the insurance companies continue to insure every single home, hotel and building on the coast? Why would Obama spend so much money for a house right next to the ocean if he believed in global warming?
His house is up a hill from the bay. It wont flood before he's long gone.

Insurance companies are pulling back from flood-prone areas all over the place, in many parts of Florida for example. Just pay a little more attention and you'll start to see the shift underway.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #82  
Yeah, in some areas you can't get a loan or insurance......you are on your own.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #83  
Let's go back to Pittsburgh 1940... things were much better then.

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Moss - you need to find a "sarcasm emojii".

I also VIVIDLY remember the late '60's through the mid '70's. I lived in Vermont.
There is a park, Ethan Allen, very near Burlington, Vermont. It has a little tower as shown in the link.
For some reason a group (4 to 6) of us got in the habit of riding out there almost every nice sunset one summer to climb the tower and watch the sun set over Lake Champlain. At the beginning of the summer you could look to the far south and see a "cloud" of pollution. By the end of the summer the cloud had almost reached Burlington.
When I joined the Army in '75 and moved to DC acid rain had begun. Pollution in DC was like smokiing 1 or 2 packs of cigs a day. Thankfully despite the massive increase in motor vehicles that is mostly past.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #84  
   / Earth's Hottest Month #85  

Food for thought on sea level rise...August 9, 2021

Kevin
Interesting, thanks. Thats the thing about all of this, our understanding continues to get better as more research is done. From your article:

..along the U.S. East Coast: In many areas, the Atlantic Ocean is rising 1 to 2 millimeters a year. At the same time, the coast is sinking an equivalent amount, in reaction to the melting of the ice sheet further north thousands of years ago. Flooding from the resulting double whammy can already be seen in many areas.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #86  
Furthermore scientific law states matter cannot be created nor destroyed.But it can be changed in form, which is what we do in bringing liquid oil from underground and burn it and put gas and solid particulates into the atmosphere. In other words, we can transform one thing into another (trees into lumber, oar into steel, herbs into medicines, etc.) but we can't create new things and we can't destroy what God has made. It's science. Therefore, humans cannot "destroy the planet" by simply living here. but we can destroy its ability to support human life. You are correct - the planet will be here but we may not.
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As the old saying goes, "there is nothing new under the sun".Do you think KS wrote this? What if he meant that our time on the garden was indeed limited all along? In other words, Nothing new = correct, we have been working towards our end from the start; and climate change due to our activity is just the latest thing we do to get us to that end point? So many "what ifs."
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #87  
If people actually believed that the sea levels are going to rise, why do the insurance companies continue to insure every single home, hotel and building on the coast? Why would Obama spend so much money for a house right next to the ocean if he believed in global warming?
Because there's still money in it for them.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #88  
Just more Fear **** brought to you by the usual suspects.

"Turn your lives, your future, your money, your children and your souls over to us. We'll handle it because we're the Credentialed Professional Class"
We do not allow free **** on TBN.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #89  
More nuggets from March 2021

Skimming though it, would one conclude the sinking of the east coast is contributing to sea level rise MUCH more than melting glaciers? Battery Park is sinking over 3mm per year and sea levels are rising .7mm per year in the same location. Maybe we should be pumping sea water into the ground? LOL






The relative sea-level rate of rise (SLR), from tide gauge records, is -2.851 mm/yr. at Battery Park and it is -4.076 mm/yr. in the shorter tide gauge record of Sandy Hook. The relative sea-level acceleration is about +0.008 mm/yr² in Battery Park.


The most likely subsidence from GPS time series is about -2.151 mm/yr. at Battery Park and it is -3.076 mm/yr. in Sandy Hook.


The most likely absolute SLR is therefore about 0.7 mm/yr. in Battery Park and it is 1.0 mm/yr. in Sandy Hook.


Thus, in the New York City area, the likely absolute SLR is about 0.7 to 1.0 mm/yr., the likely relative sea-level acceleration is about +0.008 mm/yr², the likely subsidence is about -2.151 to -3.076 mm/yr., and the likely relative SLR is about -2.851 to -4.076 mm/yr.


As the relative SLR, that is the result of the land and sea components, has negligible acceleration in the long-term-trend tide gauge at Battery Park, this is an indication that both land subsidence, and absolute sea-level rise, have been stable over the period of observation.


This result is confirmed by the 32 other long term trend stations along the East Coast of North America in addition to Battery Park. The average relative rate of rise is 2.22 mm/yr. subjected to a small, positive acceleration of +0.0027 mm/yr2.


Differentiating in between Canadian and US stations, the average relative rate of rise of the 11 stations in Canada is 0.61 mm/yr. subjected to a negative acceleration of -0.0133 mm/yr2 while the average relative rate of rise of the 22 stations of the US is 3.02 mm/yr. subjected to a positive acceleration of 0.0108 mm/yr2.


Excessive groundwater withdrawal-induced subsidence that is much stronger for the East coast of the US than Canada, is likely responsible for most of the difference, with different circulations patterns and other phenomena accounting for the rest.


It may be concluded that the absolute SLR by 2050 in the Manhattan area will be likely 30 mm, and the SLR by 2100 likely 80 mm. The relative SLR by 2050 in the Manhattan area will be likely 85 mm, and the SLR by 2100 likely 228 mm, for the overwhelming subsidence contribution.


Ocean and coastal management should be based on proven sea level data and not on speculations by unvalidated models.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #90  
Do you think that the pollution in those pictures has gone away? The pollution and the thousands of jobs that were created by the pollution has simply been sent to China. They now make the products sell them back to us and use cheap/ slave wage workers to produce the products. Since the government of China controls the money, it is spent to promote a style of government that does not promote individual rights and freedoms.

So lets recap this. America losses jobs, money, independence, the ability to control its own goods, think about WWII when the country was able to produce the goods needed to win the war, and the regulation of the pollution producers.

China gains jobs, control of a big piece of our ability to build things from steel/iron(our economy), profits, and they pollute all they want.

Oh yea we came out way ahead on that deal.
Do you think that the pollution in those pictures has gone away? The pollution and the thousands of jobs that were created by the pollution has simply been sent to China. They now make the products sell them back to us and use cheap/ slave wage workers to produce the products. Since the government of China controls the money, it is spent to promote a style of government that does not promote individual rights and freedoms.

So lets recap this. America losses jobs, money, independence, the ability to control its own goods, think about WWII when the country was able to produce the goods needed to win the war, and the regulation of the pollution producers.

China gains jobs, control of a big piece of our ability to build things from steel/iron(our economy), profits, and they pollute all they want.

Oh yea we came out way ahead on that deal.

Gee Ray firing BOTH BARRELS and hits the bullseye!
Man that is the TRUTH
Gospel, Gee Ray. Pure GOSPEL
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #91  
Gee Ray firing BOTH BARRELS and hits the bullseye!
Man that is the TRUTH
Gospel, Gee Ray. Pure GOSPEL
Some of us have been saying that for years, yet it don't make the polluting any more acceptable.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #92  
Well, you can always warm up, but you can't always cool down. I pick cold over hot.

One of the main concerns with warming temps is rising sea levels. If that happens, much of the population is in low-lying coastal areas, and will have to move. Also, if that happens, brackish water creeps into low-lying areas that are currently used for food crops, making the land useless for those crops.

That doesn't affect people directly that live higher up from sea level, but will effect hundreds of millions of people at or near sea level around the world.
Look up how many people freeze to death compared to how many people die from heat.
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Worldwide, COLD kills 20 times as many people as HEAT
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #93  
Kevin.... this is an easy one. A very easy one. You could have just searched it yourself.

HEAT kills many, many, many times more humans than cold. In a cold climate, there is still a growing season for food production, and you can easily keep warm all winter. In a baked, dry, hot environment, people cannot cool off, cannot grow food well, cannot find enough water.

It's really pretty basic chemistry and physics to measure and understand that humans are now taking enough fossil fuels out of the ground and burning them to substantially alter the CO2 concentration in our atmosphere, which has a very logical and proven effect on heat retention in the oceans and air. What is not proven, is exactly how much of our recent warming and climate shifts are due to our human contribution. It is simply illogical to say it has had no effect, but any good scientist will acknowledge that greater, natural trends could also be underway.

Nonetheless, virtually the entire global scientific community now overwhelmingly agrees that humans are contributing heavily to the real climate changes observed. So what are you deniers and skeptics really trying to win here? Avoiding guilt for your personal contributions?

Green energy and reasonable regulation of industry does not kill jobs. It just changes them, with new opportunities arising. If you are willing to chance torching the entire earth because you're simply afraid of change, or just want your political tribe to win, well that's a pretty sad critique on human nature. We have to make this shift in energy use together, so please don't make the majority drag you along so reluctantly.
deezler, I beg to differ! Your speculation that "heat kills many, many, many times more humans than cold" is patently incorrect!

Cold weather is 20 times as deadly as hot weather, and it's not the extreme low or high temperatures that cause the most deaths, according to a study published Wednesday.

The study found the majority of deaths occurred on moderately hot and moderately cold days instead of during extreme temperatures.

"Although the risk of mortality due to extremely cold or hot days is actually higher, they are less frequent," said lead author Antonio Gasparrini of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

The study — published in the British journal The Lancet — analyzed data on more than 74 million deaths in 13 countries between 1985 and 2012. Of those, 5.4 million deaths were related to cold, while 311,000 were related to heat.

Because the study included countries under different socio-economic backgrounds and with varying climates, it was representative of temperature-related deaths worldwide, the study said. The sharp distinction between heat- and cold-related deaths is because low temperatures cause more problems for the body's cardiovascular and respiratory systems, it added.


 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #95  
Some of us have been saying that for years, yet it don't make the polluting any more acceptable.
No it doesn’t, but losing all our industrial capacity isn’t acceptable, either.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #96  
When the global temps rise and the ice melts (as long as the 'conveyor' doesn't shut down completely), the Earth will get wetter, not dryer and more desert like. More tropical in most areas, with potentially more areas for food production.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #97  
I would think more warmth would also grow more life sustaining vegetation. Plants process CO2 and exhale oxygen and help feed the ever increasing world population

Is warming ALWAYS bad?
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   / Earth's Hottest Month #98  
No it doesn’t, but losing all our industrial capacity isn’t acceptable, either.
As I've said in the past, a global economy requires a level playing field. Any country we buy from should follow similar environmental restrictions, their agriculture shouldn't be allowed to use any pesticides which are banned here; they should have to follow the same civil rights laws which apply to this country. Otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to import to this country.
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #99  
As I've said in the past, a global economy requires a level playing field. Any country we buy from should follow similar environmental restrictions, their agriculture shouldn't be allowed to use any pesticides which are banned here; they should have to follow the same civil rights laws which apply to this country. Otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to import to this country.
Then Good luck doing without about everything you use everyday
 
   / Earth's Hottest Month #100  
As I've said in the past, a global economy requires a level playing field. Any country we buy from should follow similar environmental restrictions, their agriculture shouldn't be allowed to use any pesticides which are banned here; they should have to follow the same civil rights laws which apply to this country. Otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to import to this country.

Sounds like America First. Do it our way or the highway!

MoKelly
 
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