Earth's Hottest Month

[ultrarunner]

We could be so much better is an under statement...

 

[ikoflexer]

Thats why I’d rather produce here. At least we could be responsible enough to clean it up instead of giving the pproduction to the Chinese

I agree. Together with production goes skill sets that takes generations to build. The entire nation becomes dependent on a frenemy. But what are you gonna, the poor is dependent on buying cheap, the rich on big profits. Both of these wouldn't be possible without cheap production elsewhere.

Can't really blame the poor Chinese who barely make any money, their first priority being to feed a family, couldn't care less about the smog. It's a huge population. majority being very poor. Likewise many farmers here are very suspicious of carbon reduction if it puts a dent in their income. The most fervent proponents of carbon tax are those who either stand to profit from it or don't get affected by it. Plus, will it be enough to make a difference? I suppose some will feel good that they at least tried.

 

[Hay Dude]

We could be so much better is an under statement...

Why don’t we want to have great, prosperous country for everyone . Seems treasonous to keep holding this country back from it. Someday in the near future, if not now, we won’t have an opportunity to return to prosperity for everyone.
I fear we are there- hope I’m wrong

 

[Frankenkubota]

Are you in Pennsylvania? I ask, because it says S.E. PA on your avatar, and I believe PA stands for Pennsylvania.

According to this website, https://data.ydr.com/tornado-archive/ there have been 935 tornadoes in PA since 1950

Which brings up a good point. How many people think that just because what they think is happening around them, that means Global Warming is real?

Remember everything was orange? Power lines. Power poles. Buildings. Houses. Playground equipment. Everything had an orange tint to it from the steel mills.

now that you mention it....

i grew up in beer town, Milwaukee. It you got anywhere near the breweries the smell was amazing......bad! I guess it was hops?

grandma lived outside orlando and i speant a lot of time there. do you remember when the auto makers first had to hide the structure of their bumpers, back when they introduced 5 mph bumpers. They put on a large flat piece of body color plastic to cover the void and, in florida, the plastic would disintegrate with black stuff all over it.

Fertilizer, central florida has....or used to have a special kinda reek to it from fertilizer ...... or so i was told.

 

[Frankenkubota]

I've seen this sentence more than a few times, and i wonder if they are referring to the history of the planet as a whole, or just for the short period of time since life was on it?

life's been here for billions of years.

 

[Torvy]

My wife used to work for Miller in MKE. Part of the reason we came here was that she could transfer. Another option was actually NC. The smell was likely the wort.

People complain today about the smell of manure. Growing up, I was always told 'that's the smell of money'.

 

[Frankenkubota]

The basic timeline of a 4.6 billion-year-old Earth includes the following:

• About 3.5 - 3.8 billion years of simple cells (prokaryotes).
• 3 billion years of photosynthesis.
• 2 billion years of complex cells (eukaryotes).
• 1 billion years of multicellular life.
• 600 million years of simple animals.
• 570 million years of arthropods (ancestors of insects, arachnids and crustaceans).
• 550 million years of complex animals.
• 500 million years of fish and proto-amphibians.
• 475 million years of land plants.
• 400 million years of insects and seeds.
• 360 million years of amphibians.
• 300 million years of reptiles.
• 200 million years of mammals.
• 150 million years of birds.
• 130 million years of flowers.
• 65 million years since the non-avian dinosaurs died out.
• 2.5 million years since the appearance of ****.
• 200,000 years since the appearance of modern humans.
• 25,000 years since Neanderthals died out.

70,000 years ago....**** sapien-sapien

humans thinking about thinking.

 

[Frankenkubota]

My wife used to work for Miller in MKE. Part of the reason we came here was that she could transfer. Another option was actually NC. The smell was likely the wort.

People complain today about the smell of manure. Growing up, I was always told 'that's the smell of money'.

the champagne of bottled beer

in the sub sandwich business vinegar and oil was the smell of money.

 

[Frankenkubota]

Why don’t we want to have great, prosperous country for everyone . Seems treasonous to keep holding this country back from it. Someday in the near future, if not now, we won’t have an opportunity to return to prosperity for everyone.
I fear we are there- hope I’m wrong

i look at the standard of living as a good benchmark. if memory serves, ours peaked in the 80s or 90s?

 

[rademamj1]

MoKelly, it is Earth First. We'll strip mine the other planets later.

Science says the earth is 4.5 billion years old. We have temperature readings going back 150 years. That is the same as reading the last letter in the last sentence on the last page of a 10,000 page novel and saying you know what the book is about. Talk about arrogance.

First it was an impending ice age. Now it we have the hottest July on record. We stopped using paper bags because we were killing all the trees which was causing global warming. Replaced them with plastic, and now we have outlawed plastic bags because they are killing the planet. Gas cars are bad, oil energy is bad. EV cars are good as is solar energy, except for the energy required to make solar panels, and how will we dispose of all the batteries when they are dead in 10 years?

As said before, the climate change "catastrophe" is about power, control and money. It is not about weather or our planet.

Don't forget Solar Panels require special chemicals and metals to just fabricate these panels, and lots of electricity is used in the manufacturing process. These solar panels have an average life span of 23 years before they need to be replaced. The efficiency of Solar Panels has not increased more than 0.6% over last 10 years, despite $Billions spent on academic research. Currently there are only three American "manufacturers" of Solar Panels, but two of those actually just import Chinese solar panels and resell them for Homes, RV's and Solar farms. Leaving TESLA as the only true American company and the largest manufacturer of Solar panels in the US.

About 30 years from now when all these first generation of solar panels are ready for the trash, the world will be asking scientist why did we ever decide on solar panels.

 

[MossRoad]

now that you mention it....

i grew up in beer town, Milwaukee. It you got anywhere near the breweries the smell was amazing......bad! I guess it was hops?

grandma lived outside orlando and i speant a lot of time there. do you remember when the auto makers first had to hide the structure of their bumpers, back when they introduced 5 mph bumpers. They put on a large flat piece of body color plastic to cover the void and, in florida, the plastic would disintegrate with black stuff all over it.

Fertilizer, central florida has....or used to have a special kinda reek to it from fertilizer ...... or so i was told.

We had a brewery, Drewrys, until the late 60s. I thought the smell was fantastic as a kid. Almost as good as the several bread bakeries we had.

 

[Hay Dude]

Don't forget Solar Panels require special chemicals and metals to just fabricate these panels, and lots of electricity is used in the manufacturing process. These solar panels have an average life span of 23 years before they need to be replaced. The efficiency of Solar Panels has not increased more than 0.6% over last 10 years, despite $Billions spent on academic research. Currently there are only three American "manufacturers" of Solar Panels, but two of those actually just import Chinese solar panels and resell them for Homes, RV's and Solar farms. Leaving TESLA as the only true American company and the largest manufacturer of Solar panels in the US.

About 30 years from now when all these first generation of solar panels are ready for the trash, the world will be asking scientist why did we ever decide on solar panels.

I can’t imagine the volume of landfill trash from these gigantic panels.
Like you said, the cost to have the Chinese produce them, in terms of mining, manufacturing and air pollution, combined with the disposal cost, can’t be worth it.
Not when we can burn NG seemingly forever as cleanly as possible, in preexisting power plants and not have to import anything.
We need new leadership

 

[deezler]

Forget Warming, Here Comes Cooling: Scientists Announce Little Ice Age In Coming Decades – Cornwall Alliance

Scientists studying the intensity of solar activity have declared that the earth is heading towards a very cold climate phase, akin to the Little Ice Age of the 17th century, or worse. In a newly published paper in Astrophysics and Space Science, scientists have analyzed historic solar activity...

cornwallalliance.org

Expert Says the Earth is Actually Cooling

Interesting conclusions come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference. Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming.

www.sciencetimes.com

Prediction of declining solar activity trends during solar cycles 25 and 26 and indication of other solar minimum - Astrophysics and Space Science

Study of variations in solar activity parameters has its importance in understanding the underlying mechanisms of space weather phenomena and space climate variability. We have used the already observed data of solar parameters viz. sunspot numbers, F10.7 cm index and Lyman alpha index recorded...

link.springer.com

Video - 30 Top Scientists Predict Global Cooling 2015-2050 - Ice Age Now

“You do understand that a 2 degree Celsius drop takes us back to 400-year temperatures when 25 percent of the people on the planet starved to death,” says this video.”Food prices will begin rising exponentially next year.” Forecasting a 1 to 2 degrees Celsius drop Now headed into a Dalton...

iceagenow.info

Just to follow up on this one - your sources are all garbage and you ought to be embarrassed to post these links. Cornwall alliance for the stewardship of creation? c'mon. And Heartland institute (your science times article) is "the primary American organization pushing climate change skepticism." These were intentionally biased articles designed to fool you, and they worked. Try harder to research your sources and their funding.

 

[deezler]

Don't forget Solar Panels require special chemicals and metals to just fabricate these panels, and lots of electricity is used in the manufacturing process. These solar panels have an average life span of 23 years before they need to be replaced. The efficiency of Solar Panels has not increased more than 0.6% over last 10 years,

About 30 years from now when all these first generation of solar panels are ready for the trash, the world will be asking scientist why did we ever decide on solar panels.

We do need to figure out how to fully recycle the precious metals and other content in solar panels. It's possible, but I don't know how hard anyone is trying just yet.

But solar panels often last 30 to 40 years, new/current ones could be even better. Shoot the ones on my roof have a full-replacement warranty of 25 years. They typically produce more energy then it took to manufacture and ship them in the first year or two, with pure green energy after that. Sorry if this sounds rude, but posting about solar panels as somehow counterproductive or obsolete technology is shockingly ignorant. You're going to see them on damn near every useable surface in the next 10-20 years. Solar PV just works. And by the way, it's an amazingly good financial investment for your home, also. Grid-tied PV systems have an ROI payback under 10 years in most states - free electricity for you afterwards.

And they have increased a LOT more than 0.6% in efficiency. Again, just do a 20 second google search and you can learn the truth, instead of posting fiction in here instead.

 

[Hay Dude]

We do need to figure out how to fully recycle the precious metals and other content in solar panels. It's possible, but I don't know how hard anyone is trying just yet.

But solar panels often last 30 to 40 years, new/current ones could be even better. Shoot the ones on my roof have a full-replacement warranty of 25 years. They typically produce more energy then it took to manufacture and ship them in the first year or two, with pure green energy after that. Sorry if this sounds rude, but posting about solar panels as somehow counterproductive or obsolete technology is shockingly ignorant. You're going to see them on damn near every useable surface in the next 10-20 years. Solar PV just works. And by the way, it's an amazingly good financial investment for your home, also. Grid-tied PV systems have an ROI payback under 10 years in most states - free electricity for you afterwards.

And they have increased a LOT more than 0.6% in efficiency. Again, just do a 20 second google search and you can learn the truth, instead of posting fiction in here instead.

OMG that chart is so complex the average American would need a physicist at birthing/no birthing persons side just to interpret it. Lol
We shall see, though. Neither you or I know, but I can tell you this, I have already seen worn out solar panels ready for the scrap heap. That’s visual, physical evidence.

 

[deezler]

OMG that chart is so complex the average American would need a physicist at birthing/no birthing persons side just to interpret it. Lol
We shall see, though. Neither you or I know, but I can tell you this, I have already seen worn out solar panels ready for the scrap heap. That’s visual, physical evidence.

For sure, some of them are trash from the start, which truly sucks.

It definitely made me nervous to spend thousands of dollars on mine, and wait to see how they performed, or for the first hailstorm. Mine are "canadian solar" but surely made in Asia. 4 years in now, so far so good.

 

[Hay Dude]

For sure, some of them are trash from the start, which truly sucks.

It definitely made me nervous to spend thousands of dollars on mine, and wait to see how they performed, or for the first hailstorm. Mine are "canadian solar" but surely made in Asia. 4 years in now, so far so good.

I believe solar works, but I also believe it’s strongest promoters are not being 100% forthright in the disadvantages of solar (ground pollution, disposal waste, pollution from manufacturing).

We need unbiased facts and leadership

 

[rademamj1]

Yes, I am fully aware of that Wikipedia graph, available to all the masses for quick viewing. But the truth is only two types of solar panels with cells on that list are currently manufactured today, and their efficiency has not increased in last 10 years. Some of the solar cells listed as the highest efficiency have never been mass produced. Other cells on that list are just so costly, as to only to be afforded by NASA. Still other "panel" configurations on that list have only been produced in a Research Lab, as a cell with size measured in just square inches and never completed into panels.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yep, it’s just more proof that we aren’t getting the proper facts and information we need. We keep getting biased information and that impedes true progress.

 

[rekees4300]

No. I haven't noticed any dead trees other than ash trees. Where are you seeing them and what species are they?

Don't know what species they are. Different shapes and sizes so probably multiple species involved which could mean Climate Change is the cause. See them everywhere in rural SE Indiana while driving. There are fewer trees in northern part of the state so that could explain why they aren't as noticeable up there?

More anecdotal evidence ... 20 years ago my pond had dozens of Bull frogs, now they are all gone!