Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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I have a friend that used to work at Boeing doing QC work, it was a nightmare for them to move to a different operating system. And I being on the other end, it is a nightmare supporting "obsolete" operating systems. It eventually becomes a cost dependent decision.
Agree. The support time frame for older systems has become shorter and shorter. Some customers hold onto an old reliable system for grim death and then it becomes a huge issue.

Define "obsolete". Very often the "old version" does everything it needs to do. The tech industry loves "latest and greatest", and in some segments (cellphones for example) there are enough fools with more money than smarts who fall for it, but most applications get by just fine with "last year's model".
OK that clears up why Tesla doesn't have chip shortages like say GM. Tesla is asking the fabs what new chip technology they will provide going forward so they do the required physical mods and modify or come up with new from scratch software.

Tesla will not take out GM. GM will take out GM.

I expect many companies that use chips in their solutions will decide to close the door or merge in with another as car companies are doing. If it is not broken don't fix it is going to be the demise of many companies.
What a load of crap. GM isn't going anywhere.
If I were building a product, I'd want a supplier that gave me a product that met my specifications not one who expects me to keep re-inventing my products to match what they feel like selling me.
 
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Years ago I read where this person purchased a
Toyoda Hybrid the gas mileage wasn't as stated
and the maintenance only cost $1500 just makes
you want to go out and get one! bah humbug Just
get a hybrid that recharges the batteries as you
drive along. The diesel subs charged the batteries
while running on diesel engines.
A lot of people think electric cars are great and others
think gas, LP, hydrogen or diesel are great and this kinda debate could go on forever.............

What is the cost of the equipment so you can charge
your electric car at home???

willy
 
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Tesla is asking the fabs what new chip technology they will provide going forward so they do the required physical mods and modify or come up with new from scratch software.

Tesla will not take out GM. GM will take out GM.
In a past (work) life, part of my job was to keep the latest product (IC) roadmaps in front of key customer engineers.

You have a point about GM.... there is no way in _______ a major IC manufacturer does not communicate their lifecycle roadmaps, at least on key components, to GM.

When I was in the game an Intel, Motorola, TI etc would be giving AT LEAST 12 months notice of the Last Time Buy date on processors and other proprietary parts.

Smarter OEMs paid attention, and did their planning accordingly - coming up to Last Time Buy, they decided how many years worth of product they wanted to support and ordered accordingly. Better IC manufacturers also allowed a different (later) Last Time Ship date - they didn't expect you to take all x years worth of product in one delivery.

Elon's from the Valley, so he came up in the midst of the player's that intuitively understand and drive the fast-changing game of IC production.

It's not the sexy part of Engineering (and, generally unheard of in public), but a good Component Engineering group can make a huge difference in how smoothly Production flows over time. That is, providing their Corporation heeds the advice re. spending what $ at what milestones in Time.

I see future EVs moving through design-build-buy-End of Life cycles much closer to how Apple sells iPhones, than what our generations knew as lifespans for automobiles.... esp. if you live outside the salty/rusty north or seacoast regions.....

That ^ vector, is one of the reasons I'm pretty tough today on the Battery-Recycling issue..... I'd be tough on it anyway, but I double-down when it's something that is supposed to be Saving the Planet......

Rgds, D.
 
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In a past (work) life, part of my job was to keep the latest product (IC) roadmaps in front of key customer engineers.

You have a point about GM.... there is no way in _______ a major IC manufacturer does not communicate their lifecycle roadmaps, at least on key components, to GM.

When I was in the game an Intel, Motorola, TI etc would be giving AT LEAST 12 months notice of the Last Time Buy date on processors and other proprietary parts.

Smarter OEMs paid attention, and did their planning accordingly - coming up to Last Time Buy, they decided how many years worth of product they wanted to support and ordered accordingly. Better IC manufacturers also allowed a different (later) Last Time Ship date - they didn't expect you to take all x years worth of product in one delivery.

Elon's from the Valley, so he came up in the midst of the player's that intuitively understand and drive the fast-changing game of IC production.

It's not the sexy part of Engineering (and, generally unheard of in public), but a good Component Engineering group can make a huge difference in how smoothly Production flows over time. That is, providing their Corporation heeds the advice re. spending what $ at what milestones in Time.

I see future EVs moving through design-build-buy-End of Life cycles much closer to how Apple sells iPhones, than what our generations knew as lifespans for automobiles.... esp. if you live outside the salty/rusty north or seacoast regions.....

That ^ vector, is one of the reasons I'm pretty tough today on the Battery-Recycling issue..... I'd be tough on it anyway, but I double-down when it's something that is supposed to be Saving the Planet......

Rgds, D.
I seriously doubt if the Planet needs saving that moving to EVs is going to be the planets salvation.
 
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I seriously doubt if the Planet needs saving that moving to EVs is going to be the planets salvation.
Shortage of Koolaid in your Neck O'Woods G ?

Big Wink.

Your thoughtful and technically curious approach to all the topics connected to EVs is what keeps me and many others hanging out here...

My spidey-sense fires off when pretty much anything is being OverSold, and esp. when science is being used to market some aspects, then conveniently ignored in others (I'm speaking of the market, mass-media, and gubmints.... not the content of this thread).

I've probably stated here, but perhaps not recently.... I do welcome EVs as a transport option, but do have some concerns about enforced reductions in ICE vehicle availability...... If I lived in the centre of a high-density city, and didn't roam much outside of it I'd have less of a concern.....

Given the lack of attention paid to rural needs in recent decades.... yep, I'm concerned about how this plays out.....

Rgds, D.
 
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What is the cost of the equipment so you can charge
your electric car at home???

willy
About $50-$500 for the wire and outlet. (Depends on proximity to panel)
$350-600 for a smart charger, or around $100-$150 for an adaptor cord to go from your car’s cord to a 220v outlet.
Actual power cost would be based on consumption, cost of kw in your grid, and whether your supplier has off-peak rates or EV rates.
If I switched over to the E-truck I have pre-ordered tomorrow, it would take me 34 working days to pay off the equipment I would need to purchase, using the money I would save in fuel costs.
110 miles round trip, 6.0 gas uses $21 worth of fuel per day at $3/gallon, vs the e truck using 30 kw (estimated) at .09 (off-peak) per kw.
Those savings are huge, but they will diminish quickly as electric vehicles become more popular.
 
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