Why do I want to buy a pre-Tier4 tractor?

[TractorTYMe]

The flapper is only engaged when a regen is initiated in the light on the DPF button on the dash, instructions says to stop the tractor and put on park brake. Take it up to highest RPM and hold DPF button for 15 seconds and wait for the process to finish.

 

[MHarryE]

Here is an indication of how much buyers hate Pre Tier 4 emissions. Wait, it shows everything is up. I'll be darned. Read of customers needing to wait for 2023 for the tractor they need now. Many posts telling of dealer lots empty, nothing to buy but old used (meaning pre-Tier 4) tractors. I'm on the 100+ HP waiting list. My dealer told me this morning he should have an answer a week from today. Dealer does have a lot of tractors sitting on his lot - like one of each model for customers to try. They sell NH and Kubota. Was seriously thinking of a used tractor to fill my need at an auction Wednesday but it was a pre-emissions with 8.3 Cummins. 4500 hours on a '95 but they couldn't verify hours on engine and transmission because they were replaced in '16.

In general, Tier 4 engines, if computerized with common rail injection, DOC, DEF and DPF, can get a lot more power per unit displacement because they can clean up the exhaust with their aftertreatment. In addition, the high pressure common rail systems break the diesel into much finer droplets so more of the fuel injected gets burned instead of being used to create a cloud of soot.

 

[PeteN]

The flapper is only engaged when a regen is initiated in the light on the DPF button on the dash, instructions says to stop the tractor and put on park brake. Take it up to highest RPM and hold DPF button for 15 seconds and wait for the process to finish.

Yikes, that is not the way I'd like it to occur. I believe you can do that process with most tractors requiring Regen but most other ones allow you to work right through the Regen process. Not sure why Branson wants you to park it since the biggest requirement on Regen is to get the exhaust system hot. Working the tractor would fulfill that requirement. Might have to rethink where the Branson sits in my possible buy list.

 

[PeteN]

Here is an indication of how much buyers hate Pre Tier 4 emissions. Wait, it shows everything is up. I'll be darned. Read of customers needing to wait for 2023 for the tractor they need now. Many posts telling of dealer lots empty, nothing to buy but old used (meaning pre-Tier 4) tractors. I'm on the 100+ HP waiting list. My dealer told me this morning he should have an answer a week from today. Dealer does have a lot of tractors sitting on his lot - like one of each model for customers to try. They sell NH and Kubota. Was seriously thinking of a used tractor to fill my need at an auction Wednesday but it was a pre-emissions with 8.3 Cummins. 4500 hours on a '95 but they couldn't verify hours on engine and transmission because they were replaced in '16.

In general, Tier 4 engines, if computerized with common rail injection, DOC, DEF and DPF, can get a lot more power per unit displacement because they can clean up the exhaust with their aftertreatment. In addition, the high pressure common rail systems break the diesel into much finer droplets so more of the fuel injected gets burned instead of being used to create a cloud of soot.


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Agreed. Never was too impressed with the tuned diesel trucks "rolling coal".

 

[ruffdog]

DEF fluid is prone to be contaminated by many sources like using different containers and even the wrong metal fittings.

DEF Contamination and how to avoid it

 

[Doughknob]

Well go finance one of those 100 hp skid steers and have it at the shop 8 months out of the year while it ain't making no money and you still making payments. You can get a quick expensive lesson on tier 4 engines real fast going that route. It quit just as the big snow hit. Went in limp mode. It would run at idle. Other skid steer broke a track. Both right then same place same day. We had 3,000 head of cattle to feed. So we could limp the big skid steer and load feed into the mixer but that is all it could do. The other skid steer a metal cleat fell out of the track so just the rubber was holding it, might as well been limping. Had to un hook mixer from tractor to put round bales in mixer and hook back up. 100 miles plus to a dealer. No trucks to bring new tracks to the dealer because of snow. Cows scattered all over the county in leased pastures. It was a mess. Hay was at another place in a shut down chicken house. 500 head there and they'd be in the house with you real quick. No snow plows here. People worried about getting down the road in cars and SUV 's and here I'd come in a 4x4 truck and gooseneck trailer with 19 rolls of net wrapped hay.

is the sky falling?

 

[jyoutz]

I do not want a tier 4 tractor. I have never owned a tractor with tier 4 emissions, so it has nothing to do with any issues that I know about first hand. My experience is that in time, everything breaks and wears out. Everything that I've read about tier 4 is expensive and difficult to fix. The computer systems are outrageous if there is an issue. Everything about it seems like an unnecessary expense to what should be a very simple machine. Another issue is that in almost every complaint that I read about it, the owner of the machine is blamed. You don't see this in tractors that where made before 2013. My next tractor is going to have a cab, be 4 wheel drive, and hopefully be as simple to work on and fix a possible.

I want a tier 4 tractor because my old pre-emissions tractor fumes give me a headache after about 1 hour of use.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

is the sky falling?

That's not the only thing. All the trucks had problems. 5k for to fix at stealer. 4k for a private guy and his high school daughters to delete. Guess which way we went... But we can't get the software for the skid steer but we absolutely can buy an older one.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

I want a tier 4 tractor because my old pre-emissions tractor fumes give me a headache after about 1 hour of use.

Aspirin is cheaper.

 

[TractorTYMe]

Yikes, that is not the way I'd like it to occur. I believe you can do that process with most tractors requiring Regen but most other ones allow you to work right through the Regen process. Not sure why Branson wants you to park it since the biggest requirement on Regen is to get the exhaust system hot. Working the tractor would fulfill that requirement. Might have to rethink where the Branson sits in my possible buy list.

Working tractor at said rpms would do the same pretty much.