Are we in the USA really this far behind?

[Rustyiron]

Every time I come across a used NH bi directional in tractor house or some other publication I'm checking it out and trying like hell to justify it.

 

[npalen]

Well Sir,,,, Europeans have been using them for 40 years. The incident I quoted happened in 1987 or 1988, can't remember for sure....

I could be wrong but I believe the Europeans are running tractors more like 40 MPH or ?KPH on the road.

 

[npalen]

Have a small farm, I just sell the gras, exchanging bills and hopes to earn a few hundred dollars. Have to farm it my self so this bill exchange is to obey the law, the alternative is to rent out the land for minimum 10 years in a locked deal, a arrangement I do not like.

What is meant by "bill exchange"?

 

[Agvg]

He who buys the gras also cuts and bales it, and my bill for the gras is jus a couple of hundred dollars bigger then the bill he sends to me.

 

[MossRoad]

Every time I come across a used NH bi directional in tractor house or some other publication I'm checking it out and trying like hell to justify it.

Me too. But it's Versatile for me.

 

[Rustyiron]

I haven't been there, but I watch a lot of (ag/tractor) YouTube and there seems to be plenty of larger scale agriculture and equipment "over there" including some innovative stuff. I'm kinda of the opinion that a lot of Claas and Fendt tractors and harvesting equipment has almost become a status symbol here in the states among the bigger farms and dairy operators. Then I see plenty of the other green and red tractors over there as well.
It's all part of the shrinking world and global companies.

Me too. But it's Versatile for me.

I thought that the only difference was that paint color?

 

[MossRoad]

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I thought that the only difference was that paint color?

I thought NH bought them out and are newer. Could be mistaken of course.

 

[ArtMech]

I could be wrong but I believe the Europeans are running tractors more like 40 MPH or ?KPH on the road.

No limits for tractors, until you reach speed equal to the limit of truck speed. It is only said you need to drive a tractor at safe speed. But it could be different in each EU country. The highest JCB version may run at about 90 km/h. Most fast modern tractors equipped with front axle suspension. That makes tractor stable and allows to reach higher speed on the roads. But that's nothing new, guess the same is in the U.S.
40 MPH = 64 KPH

 

[colonial1]

I recently purchase an Antonio Carraro TTR10900 and an Antonio Carraro SP4400HST. I also have USA conventional AG tractors. A NH T4.75 w loader and a Kubota M5 and a small L3300 Kubota CUT. These are great tractors for their purpose. On flat ground, all aspects of crop fields, plowing snow, moving dirt, etc. awesome. Take any of the US conventional tractors and place them on aggressive slopes and it's all over with. Forget about working with a loader on these slopes with any tractor. Having the combination of flat land tractors and slope tractors fits my need. I have come close, too many times, to flipping the US AG tractors while on slopes. The TTR10900 is a tank on slopes, stuck to the ground as if it is glued to it. Probably one of the best tractors in the 100hp range for slope work available with franchises in the USA. My dealer is only an hour away. My property has both flat land and 20-35 degree slopes on it. It seems that many replies to this thread don't seem to have both terrains as mentioned to deal with. The US AG tractors are like a duck out of water on steep hillsides. Antonio Carraro's (Italy) on flat land can do a lot of what a 100hp US AG tractor can but it does fall short in certain areas without question but you can't write it off so quickly. I agree that a FEL on the AC doesn't make sense and isn't comparable to the US AG loaders. But if I need to do loader work I grab my NH but not all the time. If I need to climb hills while using a loader I then turn to Finland. I wonder how many of those in this thread have a respectful % of their work that is on sloping hillsides of 20-35 degrees? If you do, How does your US AG tractor perform? But if you want a loader for working slopes then I say look at Avant. I have an Avant 760i recently carried, 2 logging trucks full of 16' logs up a 60' hill with a 20-25 degree slope angle, not one issue, performed flawlessly. I had custom made Mattracks engineered for it which has turned it into a slot car on the ground if I could paraphrase it accurately. It's the first Avant Mattracks has ever tracked here in the USA. Avant Executive Factory reps have visited me to take it for a ride and see what it is like. All were very impressed with what it can do. Avant does offer factory tracks in the EU but they are made by Soucy and are not suspension tracks like the Mattracks are (US made). My unit is posted on the Mattracks website. US AG tractors with FEL have limits to, for me mainly in reach height. Don't know about all of you but stacking hay with the US AG's are limited in height reach, minimizing stacking capabilities and that's where my JCB telehandler comes into play. Every brand tractor has it's limitations, purchasing the right piece of equipment based on task at hand is what is most important. They all have a valuable functions and applications. It all depends on what you needs are. Mine are all over the place and each piece of equipment performs outstanding for what they are designed to do. No knocks here to any of them whether they are US made or European made. Europe has the edge in technology on slope machines, by far, simple because that is what they mainly work on over there. Most of Europe doesn't have giant flat farmland fields, it is mainly all slope work and for compact articulated loaders, the Avant which comes from Finland in a strong recommendation here and also has a good dealer body presence here in the USA. The US holds a very respectful place on flat land tractors by far. Brands like JD, Case, Kubota, NH, MF are solid strong machines. However DuetzFahr (Germany), Valtra (Finland & Brazil) and Fendt (Germany) hold their ground pretty good too in tractor comparison and another top performer in slope machines is AEBI tractors (Switzerland) everything else kind of falls in-between, I feel.
I don't post that often at all, almost never but with this threads theme and since I live in both worlds, flat and sloped, I thought I could add a little something here.
A big fan of TractorByNet!! Best to all.

The world isn't flat, that was discovered a long, long time ago..

 

[ptsg]

I recently purchase an Antonio Carraro TTR10900 and an Antonio Carraro SP4400HST. I also have USA conventional AG tractors. A NH T4.75 w loader and a Kubota M5 and a small L3300 Kubota CUT. These are great tractors for their purpose. On flat ground, all aspects of crop fields, plowing snow, moving dirt, etc. awesome. Take any of the US conventional tractors and place them on aggressive slopes and it's all over with. Forget about working with a loader on these slopes with any tractor. Having the combination of flat land tractors and slope tractors fits my need. I have come close, too many times, to flipping the US AG tractors while on slopes. The TTR10900 is a tank on slopes, stuck to the ground as if it is glued to it. Probably one of the best tractors in the 100hp range for slope work available with franchises in the USA. My dealer is only an hour away. My property has both flat land and 20-35 degree slopes on it. It seems that many replies to this thread don't seem to have both terrains as mentioned to deal with. The US AG tractors are like a duck out of water on steep hillsides. Antonio Carraro's (Italy) on flat land can do a lot of what a 100hp US AG tractor can but it does fall short in certain areas without question but you can't write it off so quickly. I agree that a FEL on the AC doesn't make sense and isn't comparable to the US AG loaders. But if I need to do loader work I grab my NH but not all the time. If I need to climb hills while using a loader I then turn to Finland. I wonder how many of those in this thread have a respectful % of their work that is on sloping hillsides of 20-35 degrees? If you do, How does your US AG tractor perform? But if you want a loader for working slopes then I say look at Avant. I have an Avant 760i recently carried, 2 logging trucks full of 16' logs up a 60' hill with a 20-25 degree slope angle, not one issue, performed flawlessly. I had custom made Mattracks engineered for it which has turned it into a slot car on the ground if I could paraphrase it accurately. It's the first Avant Mattracks has ever tracked here in the USA. Avant Executive Factory reps have visited me to take it for a ride and see what it is like. All were very impressed with what it can do. Avant does offer factory tracks in the EU but they are made by Soucy and are not suspension tracks like the Mattracks are (US made). My unit is posted on the Mattracks website. US AG tractors with FEL have limits to, for me mainly in reach height. Don't know about all of you but stacking hay with the US AG's are limited in height reach, minimizing stacking capabilities and that's where my JCB telehandler comes into play. Every brand tractor has it's limitations, purchasing the right piece of equipment based on task at hand is what is most important. They all have a valuable functions and applications. It all depends on what you needs are. Mine are all over the place and each piece of equipment performs outstanding for what they are designed to do. No knocks here to any of them whether they are US made or European made. Europe has the edge in technology on slope machines, by far, simple because that is what they mainly work on over there. Most of Europe doesn't have giant flat farmland fields, it is mainly all slope work and for compact articulated loaders, the Avant which comes from Finland in a strong recommendation here and also has a good dealer body presence here in the USA. The US holds a very respectful place on flat land tractors by far. Brands like JD, Case, Kubota, NH, MF are solid strong machines. However DuetzFahr (Germany), Valtra (Finland & Brazil) and Fendt (Germany) hold their ground pretty good too in tractor comparison and another top performer in slope machines is AEBI tractors (Switzerland) everything else kind of falls in-between, I feel.
I don't post that often at all, almost never but with this threads theme and since I live in both worlds, flat and sloped, I thought I could add a little something here.
A big fan of TractorByNet!! Best to all.

The world isn't flat, that was discovered a long, long time ago..

Great post.

That's quite an arsenal you have there! Great looking tractors.