Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points?

   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points? #81  
There is an alley behind me. Across the alley is a place owned by one of hte outfitters who float the Salmon. Four raft kids show up a couple weeks before memorial day, to get the rafts put together and inflated. Then they disappear until two days before a river trip. They show up, get the rafts ready, and supplies bought, (and play guitars and smoke something in the evening), then disappear to the river for ten to 14-days. Then they come back for a day, to put things away. Happens two or three times a summer. A week or so after Labor Day, they come put everything away for the winter. Great neighbors.
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points? #83  
Just live and let live... helpful where I can...

Since buying my first home at 22 I have always been the kid... that has to change sometime but with many of my neighbors original owners for 50 years or more I'm still the kid and owning the only backhoe in the area makes me a good person to have around... :)
Neighbors behind us own an excavating company. Very good people to know. They built a shooting range and a dirt bike track on their property. We are separated by some thick woods so we don't even know each other is there. I occassionally hear distan gun fire or the bikes/atv's.... but meh that is the country for you.

Neighbors to the west give us updates about how they like watching the antics of our horses running around in the pastures. Good folks to have around. They are the only other house we can see from our house so we keep an eye on each other.
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points? #84  
I sent my survey in PDF along with a brief letter to Estate Executor and Listing Broker as to property line.

Under the law material facts affecting property must be disclosed and it has been with signed acknowledgment of receipt
Do you have a copy of that signed acknowledgement from the buyer, or were you told it exists? If I had it signed in hand it would provide some comfort.

If not, or if it was only told to you verbally, yYou might consider asking the broker for the name of the title officer handling the escrow. If you receive that name, I'd send your PDF docs to the title officer as well. That might be a little on the pushy side, but, if it helps prevent a future issue it would be worth it. The broker and title officer will be out of the picture soon enough-- but the neighbor will endure forever.

I also like your idea of putting in some T-posts where you believe the actual line is. Establishing that before close of escrow might be valuable in the future. Then the buyer can't claim they "didn't know" ...
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points?
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Did you get the Mustang?
No... when she decided not to renew it was put on a simple craigslist ad...

A man from Germany showed up with cash and drove off with it... he has one in Germany and was picking one up for his brother... at least that is the story...

I think it sold for triple what she paid new... even with 133,000 miles on original drive train... original interior and paint... white with red interior always clean up nice in my experience.

Over the years batteries, brakes, master cylinder, water pump...
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points?
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Do you have a copy of that signed acknowledgement from the buyer, or were you told it exists? If I had it signed in hand it would provide some comfort.

If not, or if it was only told to you verbally, yYou might consider asking the broker for the name of the title officer handling the escrow. If you receive that name, I'd send your PDF docs to the title officer as well. That might be a little on the pushy side, but, if it helps prevent a future issue it would be worth it. The broker and title officer will be out of the picture soon enough-- but the neighbor will endure forever.

I also like your idea of putting in some T-posts where you believe the actual line is. Establishing that before close of escrow might be valuable in the future. Then the buyer can't claim they "didn't know" ...
I'm within a foot scaling from municipal manhole cover and my brother said same... Rebar... just as noted with T-Post.

The Executor of the estate said I will get a copy at close...

The broker replied to my original email thanking me and noted buyers acknowledge receipt...

Executor is someone I have known many years and listing broker is VP of the HOA...
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points? #87  
I'm late to the party, but there a couple of emails in this long thread asking if you can get better-than-consumer-grade GPS accuracy, to hunt up corners/monuments yourself.

I happen to have looked into this.

"Better than consumer grade" GPS is very expensive. Tens of thousands of dollars. But there are things you can do to get more accuracy from consumer grade gear, like what is in smartphones these days.

Even with perfect visibility of 10-12 or more satellites, consumer GPS can't be depended on to deliver more than about 15' (5m) accuracy. This is due to atmospheric (and other similar) effects. However, while it can be off by that much, a lot of the time it is OK *in this situation* to 6-7' (2m) or so. This is the type of error that you need really expensive equipment and processes, which can include real-time or post-measurement correction of the position measured, to eliminate. For mere mortals like us, you just need to be aware of it.

The second source of error is poor satellite visibility. Valleys, rock faces, even tree canopy can block, or even worse bounce, signals. Various algorithms try to compensate, with varying degrees of success. This you can do something about:

1. It will be much easier to GPS locate markers that are out in the wide open. To locate others, it's better to use the distances and bearings from a plat/survey, with an easier to find marker as a starting point.

2. Keep your GPS receiver out in the open, not in your pocket, inside your side-by-side, etc. In my case, I found it well worth it to buy a Garmin Glo 2 GPS external receiver (<US$100) that connects to my phone via Bluetooth. The underlying GPS hardware is only marginally better than the phone, but you can keep the external receiver on your hat, or on a pole, or on your Mule roof and get *much* better accuracy than if you're relying on GPS in your phone, held at waist height so you can see the screen.

3. Be patient. You probably have experienced having your phone's GPS position drift around for a minute after you query where you are. It can continue to drift for quite a while, and there are various interference effects that may take 30 mins or more to "settle down". So if you really care, occupy the point whose GPS coordinates you want to be sure of and wait, leaving your (external) receiver just sitting there.

Regarding distances and bearings, on iOS a very useful app is Theodolite, an "augmented reality" app that shows bearings, etc over what you see in your viewfinder. Note that plats will have somewhere on them written exactly how bearings on the survey are described, in particular if they are grid or astronomic, or relative to what reference bearing. You can figure out precisely what this means in your instance, but it will probably be easier to calibrate a known bearing (i.e. measure the Theodolite bearing of a known line at a known bearing on the survey, to get a correction factor you then apply to bearings you're trying to locate.)

I've used all of this to locate nearly all of the important corners/monuments of my land, based on 1991 surveys. It took a while, but it gave me the confidence I know my boundaries.
 
   / Re-establishing Survey Corners and Way Points? #88  
And if your survey plat shows that they set metal pins, or hopefully rebar beg borrow or rent a magnetic detector. They find magnetic fields form ferrous metals. Which is why surveyors drive two or three foot sections of rebar or pipe into the ground a points. A good magnetic detector will detect the magnetic field of a vertically orientated pice of long slender steel to a high degree of sensitivity/accuracy.
 

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