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   / Amazon? #221  
I have a cousin working at trader joes to get medical benefits, that is such a big expense, which is why Amazon can get people with their benefit offer, while most local businesses can't even get a nibble from their help wanted ads.
To a new family, benefits wins over an extra $5/hour......
Quality benefits cost an employer around $8 an hour all up - that's a good healthcare plan where your family can actually afford to see a doctor when needed, 401k, stock plan, etc. I've seen so many young folks pass up an offer because another was higher but they never take into account the benefits. It's completely lost on them how making $20 an hour is better than $25 if that $25 an hour job has no benefits.

My grandparents were a 2 income family working for GM back in the 60s and they lived in a 2 bed 1 bath house that was maybe 900 sq ft and they shared a single car. They never complained and thought they had it pretty good. A 2 income family working the Amazon warehouse today is pulling in $60k a year plus benefits minimum, probably closer to $75k with any competence and experience. Could they afford a 900 sq ft 2 bed 1 bath house and one basic domestic sedan? Absolutely, but they would consider that an unacceptably poor standard of living and be rioting in the streets. That's the real difference between yesterday and today.
 
   / Amazon? #222  
What is your hourly pay? What other outside benefits are you receiving?
I supported a large family on one income too but I made more than $20 / hr.
There is a big difference supporting a family with 2 kids versus supporting and raising a sports team.

You get that break once they are out of diapers and in school. Then they eat you out of house and home once they become teenagers.

You on the other hand dealt with diapers and the Jethro level appetites of growing teenagers at the same time.

It's comparing apples to aardvark's.

You also need to factor in the "Cost" of living in that area as well.

Several of us have already told you that yes it's doable. And yes "We" did it. With no outside assistance
 
   / Amazon? #223  
Quality benefits cost an employer around $8 an hour all up - that's a good healthcare plan where your family can actually afford to see a doctor when needed, 401k, stock plan, etc. I've seen so many young folks pass up an offer because another was higher but they never take into account the benefits. It's completely lost on them how making $20 an hour is better than $25 if that $25 an hour job has no benefits.

My grandparents were a 2 income family working for GM back in the 60s and they lived in a 2 bed 1 bath house that was maybe 900 sq ft and they shared a single car. They never complained and thought they had it pretty good. A 2 income family working the Amazon warehouse today is pulling in $60k a year plus benefits minimum, probably closer to $75k with any competence and experience. Could they afford a 900 sq ft 2 bed 1 bath house and one basic domestic sedan? Absolutely, but they would consider that an unacceptably poor standard of living and be rioting in the streets. That's the real difference between yesterday and today.
Well said and stated

It's all about keeping up with the Jones.
 
   / Amazon? #224  
What is your hourly pay? What other outside benefits are you receiving?
I supported a large family on one income too but I made more than $20 / hr.
I moved here at $17.35/hr, no other outside benefits at the time. Didn't even get state or federal help when an accident forced us to take in our g'kids. No food stamps, no nothing.

I moved from Wisconsin where I lived for 10 years because the property taxes (all taxes, really) had gone up to over $4000/yr for the 2000sq.ft home on a little plot and I couldn't afford that. Taxes on this 14 acre in Indiana was less than $2000/yr (still is), it was about the same mortgage payment, I found employment (but for $0.20/hr *less* than I was making in Wisconsin), and it was still close enough to her family in Illinois.

Full disclosure - *After* I moved here I found Indiana will waive a portion of those property taxes for Veterans, so I did that. Think at the time it was 35% waived. So if you consider that 'help', then sure, I had 'help' after I already reduced my tax outlay and was more comfortable than I was before. (Also, didnt use VA Home Loan guarantees as the regular rates were better at the time, so no 'help' there either.)
 
   / Amazon? #225  
I moved here at $17.35/hr, no other outside benefits at the time. Didn't even get state or federal help when an accident forced us to take in our g'kids. No food stamps, no nothing.

I moved from Wisconsin where I lived for 10 years because the property taxes (all taxes, really) had gone up to over $4000/yr for the 2000sq.ft home on a little plot and I couldn't afford that. Taxes on this 14 acre in Indiana was less than $2000/yr (still is), it was about the same mortgage payment, I found employment (but for $0.20/hr *less* than I was making in Wisconsin), and it was still close enough to her family in Illinois.

Full disclosure - *After* I moved here I found Indiana will waive a portion of those property taxes for Veterans, so I did that. Think at the time it was 35% waived. So if you consider that 'help', then sure, I had 'help' after I already reduced my tax outlay and was more comfortable than I was before. (Also, didnt use VA Home Loan guarantees as the regular rates were better at the time, so no 'help' there either.)
VA benefits are not help. You earned them. Just like Social Security retirment.... you paid into that.
 
   / Amazon? #226  
The difference here is that my salary was fair (found out later I was making below the national average) but given my family size I was afforded gov't assistance at times.
Why would you need assistance on an engineer's salary? I don't think any engineer today could qualify for assistance drawing $70,000 a year (West Virginia).
 
   / Amazon? #227  
So you are paying contractors, not employees. Totally different things and not a comparison.
The last hourly I paid $100 an hour because it was slinging work but I had bid the job as a lump sum.
 
   / Amazon? #228  
Maybe so, but when you make comments like these;



It shows how unwilling you are to share those benefits. "At least 20$/hr" works out to under 7, once they cover their expenses.

Wow. You just made a hasty leap. What expenses?
 
   / Amazon? #229  
Why would you need assistance on an engineer's salary? I don't think any engineer today could qualify for assistance drawing $70,000 a year (West Virginia).
I was making $53K/yr back in 2003 so my effective earned income on my tax return was about $23k after child tax credits for 7-9 kids. So that's why I paid no federal income tax.
 
   / Amazon? #230  
I was making $53K/yr back in 2003 so my effective earned income on my tax return was about $23k after child tax credits for 7-9 kids. So that's why I paid no federal income tax.
I get that. Back in 2003 when it all began, you didn't have 9 kids to feed. $53k is more than enough for you, wife and a couple of kids to live on without assistance. You could even do that now on that salary.
 
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