It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not)

   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #261  
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #262  
Doesn't make any sense to me...paying out just to go back in. If someone worked paying into SS for years as well as taxes it doesn't make sense to once again pay taxes on money you paid into.
I know so many who finally started receiving SS then passing away so they never got their benefit.
What gets me is supporting those able bodied who don't work, or abuse the system, paying prisoners (people on death row 10 years?!?).
Paying taxes for police, firemen, infrastructure, etc is fine...just don't milk seniors based on money they never see (cap gains).
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #263  
Doesn't make any sense to me...paying out just to go back in. If someone worked paying into SS for years as well as taxes it doesn't make sense to once again pay taxes on money you paid into.
I know so many who finally started receiving SS then passing away so they never got their benefit.
What gets me is supporting those able bodied who don't work, or abuse the system, paying prisoners (people on death row 10 years?!?).
Paying taxes for police, firemen, infrastructure, etc is fine...just don't milk seniors based on money they never see (cap gains).
I know one young female Army vet who claims PTSD for a 70% disability rating and I know there was nothing wrong with her when she discharged that wasn't wrong with her when she enlisted. She is a scammer and will be all her life.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #264  
I know one young female Army vet who claims PTSD for a 70% disability rating and I know there was nothing wrong with her when she discharged that wasn't wrong with her when she enlisted. She is a scammer and will be all her life.
and...Tax-Free at that!
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #265  
5 years ago when I hit FRA at 66 the SSA projected a 25% cut in SS benefits 15 years down the road. With some quick math I figured out if I would go ahead till 70 increase my payout by 32%, then after I took a 25% cut I would be back to still down to what I would have drawn if I had retired at 66.

If one spouse has a professional paying job after the other one retires at FRA it's kinda financial suicide to retire before age 70 as our CPA pointed out. SS benefits fade the more one prepares.

Fretting over the way Social Security is managed just decreases one's SS
payout because it can shorten one's life. :)
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #266  
I don't fret, just vent! To wife & I, SS is just a pittance that we don't really think about. My heart sincerely goes out to retirees having to live on it and I can't imagine how they do it.
Especially with inflation outpacing SS payments.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #267  
I don't fret, just vent! To wife & I, SS is just a pittance that we don't really think about. My heart sincerely goes out to retirees having to live on it and I can't imagine how they do it.
Especially with inflation outpacing SS payments.
I'm glad you have enough retirement income that you consider SS is just a pittance.
I have to wonder what your payments were into the system, did you have considerable none SS income,
maybe self employed and minimized your reportable income.
I do know that my wifes and I's combined income from SS is in excess of $4000 per month, I don't consider that
to be a "pittance" we are fortunate that we do have other income so as to live comfortably.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #268  
This is from the SSA site: "more than $44,000, up to 85 percent of your benefits may be taxable."
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #269  
Yea, what's new?
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #270  
Nothing is new. I was saying even if ones SS is $50K/year, then 85% is taxed, Medicare is deducted and they're already in a high tax bracket the remaining SS is a pittance.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #271  
Let's see if I can get this straight in my mind.
You are complaining that if you get $50,000 per year in SS that 85% is taxed, then because Medicare is deducted and if you are already in a high tax bracket the remaining is a pittance.

Part A premiumMost people don't pay a monthly premium for Part A (sometimes called "premium-free Part A"). If you buy Part A, you'll pay up to $499 each month in 2022. If you paid Medicare taxes for less than 30 quarters, the standard Part A premium is $499. If you paid Medicare taxes for 30-39 quarters, the standard Part A premium is $274.

Part B premiumThe standard Part B premium amount is $170.10 (or higher depending on your income).

File individual tax returnFile joint tax returnFile married & separate tax return
If your yearly income in 2020 (for what you pay in 2022) wasYou pay each month (in 2022)
$91,000 or less$182,000 or less$91,000 or less$170.10
above $91,000 up to $114,000above $182,000 up to $228,000Not applicable$238.10
above $114,000 up to $142,000above $228,000 up to $284,000Not applicable$340.20
above $142,000 up to $170,000above $284,000 up to $340,000Not applicable$442.30
above $170,000 and less than $500,000above $340,000 and less than $750,000above $91,000 and less than $409,000$544.30
$500,000 or above$750,000 or above$409,000 or above$578.30

So if you paid into Medicare for more than 40 quarters (only 10 years) no cost for part A,
then heck say under $200,000 for joint it would be $238.10 a month for part B,
so 12 times $238.10 is $2857.20 per year.
Then 85% of $50,000 is $42,500 is part of your taxable income even if taxed at 25% leaves $31,875 minus
the part B leaves $29,017.80 divided by 12, or $2418.15 per month.

To me that is a pretty decent pittance and certainly not to be sneezed at.

Now if you didn't pay in and have to pay the full part A and part B yes that would alter the numbers considerably,
of course if you didn't pay in what in the heck would you have to complain about.

So complain all you wish as far as I can see you have no grounds to gripe about anything.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #272  
Sorry you went to all that trouble.
A pittance to one may not be to another.
Wife & I paid into SS well over 40 years. What we receive vs paid in was my point.
It's all moot point since everyone's lifestyle/expenses are different.
I'm not griping or complaining simply saying we could receive nothing in SS, it wouldn't amount to anything. In fact I'd be far ahead not getting it but investing that 40+ years paying into it myself.
Seniors relying on SS to live on, especially in these inflationary times I don't see how they manage.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #273  
I'll certainly agree with that statement, if I had invested everything I have paid into SS over my lifetime
I could have a higher return by far. And I would expect that many people are in that situation.
However many people would not have put 7% plus the 7% the employer paid in, in safe investment accounts and not touched it
for many decades.
I would not want to live on only SS, but it was not meant to be the only retirement income it was to be a safety net for
lower income people.
So I would say it is doing as designed, it is as a very socialistic program and was even more so when put in place as none of the very early receivers had ever paid any thing into it.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #274  
Our company matched up to 6% for retirement account and it was mind boggling how many would not participate. That 6% was bonus.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #275  
Our company matched up to 6% for retirement account and it was mind boggling how many would not participate. That 6% was bonus.
The company I work for was founded around 100 years ago, and survived many things including the depression. The founder set up a retirement account in the 50s, and always said "No former employee of mine is going to be in a bread line."
They match 50%, up to 6% of our income, plus profit sharing. If somebody isn't paying in, the comptroller will take the time to talk to him about it.

It was pretty discouraging to check my balance in January, and find that even after their annual contributions my balance went down, so I didn't hit my goal for 2021. I don't have a lot in the stock market or it would have been worse.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #276  
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #277  
The company I work for was founded around 100 years ago, and survived many things including the depression. The founder set up a retirement account in the 50s, and always said "No former employee of mine is going to be in a bread line."
They match 50%, up to 6% of our income, plus profit sharing. If somebody isn't paying in, the comptroller will take the time to talk to him about it.

It was pretty discouraging to check my balance in January, and find that even after their annual contributions my balance went down, so I didn't hit my goal for 2021. I don't have a lot in the stock market or it would have been worse.
I expect between inflation and bear market we may see a 50% reduction in our retirement accounts near term. In 2000 we had a depression era family member that lost 50% of a very large retirement account and it really impacted him in the negative way. I think we forget the money in our our IRA or 401 retirement account is not our money but it is the market's money is if we leave it in the market.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #278  
The company I work for was founded around 100 years ago, and survived many things including the depression. The founder set up a retirement account in the 50s, and always said "No former employee of mine is going to be in a bread line."
They match 50%, up to 6% of our income, plus profit sharing. If somebody isn't paying in, the comptroller will take the time to talk to him about it.

It was pretty discouraging to check my balance in January, and find that even after their annual contributions my balance went down, so I didn't hit my goal for 2021. I don't have a lot in the stock market or it would have been worse.
I had a similar experience. Early in my career I was tapped on my shoulder and turn to see our CEO. He was going around encouraging participation in the 401k plan. I was contributing 4% and he suggested I go to the full 6%. Learned later that our plan always struggled with being top-heavy (ERISA rules) due to not enough lower earners participating.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #279  
"If I took all that money and invested it, I'd have a lot more now."
True that.
But then there are always people who get have life dump on them unexpectedly. My father-in-law broke his neck as a younger man and had SS, VA, and not much else, to carry him and his kids for the next 25 years. How about my son who died at 34. So far his widow and kids have pulled in well over $300,000 in SS with a few years left on the youngest one's eligibility. People figure those horrible things always happen to someone else.
You gotta have some sort of insurance.
 
   / It's Time For Medicare (whether I want it or not) #280  

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