Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews????

   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #41  
I've done some hiring.

A lot of people who have a job aren't really interested in a new job, they're looking for leverage to go to their current boss and demand a raise. Making an offer to someone like that is lose-lose. If they're good, their current boss will match your offer and you just wasted your time -- and possibly let some real candidates get away. If their current boss lets them go, there's probably a reason for that, and you just acquired someone else's problem.

So you learn to screen out people who you don't think are serious. As a job-seeker, it's important that you not come across that way.

Yes that is tough. On the other hand if you are only looking at those that are currently unemployed I wonder why. Why did the "leave" the last job and why has no one else hired them. What am I not seeing as the danger sign that everyone else saw.

It is tough thing hiring someone.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #42  
Why did the "leave" the last job and why has no one else hired them. What am I not seeing as the danger sign that everyone else saw.

Maybe the company closed? Or had a R.I.F. (Reduction In Force). Those suck.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #43  
When we had a reduction in hours a number of the RN's started looking and we lost some key young nurses... it is always a gamble.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #44  
The first time we had a RIF, I found out when I was sitting in a hotel room on the 22nd floor in Honolulu waiting to come home from a nice family vacation. They sent the E-mail out at 4:00pm, which was about 10:00am in Honolulu. It said the angel of death (the VP of HR) was coming around, and if he grabbed you, he'd take you to H.R., where the Controller would tell you to leave, what your severance package was, etc... and then they'd escort you out of the building. And it said not to ask your boss if you were on the list, just wait and see if you get the axe! So, of course I contacted my boss right away, and asked if I should come back or would it be O.K. to find employment in Hawaii since I was already here, or should I just "accidentally" fall out of the 22nd floor window while "taking pictures" so my family could collect on my life insurance!!! :rolleyes:

Anyhow, as the AOD (angel of death)was taking you up to HR, they'd have I.T. disable your computer account and security badge, so you couldn't email anyone goodbye or get back in the building. Then he'd march you out the front door to the parking lot, right past a flashing reader board that said "NOW HIRING"!!!! :mad:

The sociopathic company president who ordered the RIF took off for the day and she made the controller do it! So, after he escorted you out to your car, he'd let you drive around to the back, walk right back in, wander around the building, clean out your desk and say bye to your friends.

It was pretty heartless and cruel, to say the least. It happened 3 more times. Eventually, it happened to the sociopathic company president as well, so that was nice. :thumbsup:
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #45  
The sociopathic company president who ordered the RIF took off for the day and she made the controller do it! So, after he escorted you out to your car, he'd let you drive around to the back, walk right back in, wander around the building, clean out your desk and say bye to your friends.

The president and owner of my first wife's employer, stood up in front of the Xmas party and bragged about his new corvette in a drunken slur. This only a few weeks after cutting about 30% of the company. They are a different breed.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #46  
May I ask what attitude that is?

Simpling wanting to get some pretty important information related to the job prior to taking a day off, hiring a babysitter, and making the drive to show up for an interview....all to get the info than can be revealed in 5min on the phone. Info that was left out of the help wanted ad.

Why is it so wrong to want to know the work schedule, shift, retirement, benefits, pay, etc before wasting time on an interview?

A company is clearly interested in me based on my resume. Which has my education, experience, and work history. Same things I am gonna say in my interview. So an interview is merely a formality to get to know me personally and if I am a good fit for the company. But jumping to that step I feel is putting the cart before the horse, if the position is not a fit for me.

If they would simply put that info regarding shift, benefits, pay, etc on their ad....I could have already made that decision and then choose to apply or not. By not disclosing that info, I have to apply just to get those answers....which I am sorry, I need those answers before I re-arrange my schedule to be able to ask you in person. If you can't answer them over the phone, I'm I'm no lo get interested
[snip] I just don't know a more politically correct or polite way to put it.[snip]

I can help you with this LD1. What you need to learn are the buzz words and the buzz words you are lacking are these, "Work Life Balance" This is an HR term they all recognize. You would say, "Can you tell me a little bit about the company's philosophy on Work/Life Balance?" They are going to know what this means. This question means, are you going to erratically schedule me, require tons of overtime, swap my shifts around as it pleases you? ALL these issued are covered under the question of Work/Life Balance.

A Guy like you, what your resume should be is what is called a Functional Resume. I bet your resume is, dates, employer and what you did, right? This is not the best presentation of your skills. I have done 2 Functional resumes, one for my cousin and one for a friend and both of them we literally catapulted from their existing position. Most people hate writing resumes, I don't I am actually an excellent resume writer. For my cousin, the Functional Resume I wrote for him got him hired at Harley Davidson in the back garage where they develop new models and technologies. I can't remember what it is called but it is like the secret area of Harley Davidson, and he worked with a Davidson if I remember right. Our friend who I wrote a functional resume for is now making four TIMES his salary, my resume launched him.

Here is how a functional resume works and I am just going to make stuff up to explain it to you. You explain your skills and then underneath you show which employers these skills were employed in. So here we go, making sh*t up.

Tig welder, producing welds within 1,000 of an inch margin of error, give a good description if Tig welding, different materials you welded etc. etc. Mention any big projects you were on.
name of employer and dates (nothing else you will give the employer info later on with their full info)
Name of employer and dates
Name of employer dates

CNC Programmer - Designed, developed test plans which were deployed to assure CNC machines were within 1,000 of an inch tolerance. Name different CNC Machines manufactureres.
Name of employer and dates

At the TOP of your resume you have your contact info, then right below your contact info
You put a section: "Summary" here you write one paragraph of what you offer an employer, focus on skills, say things like 25 years experience blah blah blah. Mention but do not hog up the space with names of employer and dates.

After Summary you put in a section, Goals:
Here is where you tell the employer what you want. Seeing what you have written so far I fear you will put in info like "Will not work second shift." Don't write it that way, instead write, (remember these are your goals, what you want from them) "Seeking a position with a dynamic company that provides a good work/life balance, flexible between 1st or 3rd shift (1st preferred), with a steady work schedule that provides for occasional (not regular) overtime who provides competitive employee benefits."

After you have listed your skills and the companies you worked those skills at, then at the end of your resume you list the company information. Address etc.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #47  
Finally the other one that I see a bit of is someone applying for this job while being in school for a field completely unrelated to the one I am hiring for. Like I don't realize the minute you get your degree you are going on to that "better" job.

All in all OP, no offense, but if you called with that attitude your resume would end up in the circular file.

So your looking for that "perfect" person who never wants to better themselves, is content to work until they die as your "secretary", because how dare they ?? !!
How do you think people GET experience in your field?? Someone got them started.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews????
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#48  
Perhaps a functional resume would be better. But it would easily be 5 pages long if I listed all the skills and examples that are relevant to the field I'm in.
All forms of welding/fabricating, mill, lathe, blueprint drawing and reading, electrical schematics, ladder logic, rslogix 500/5000 PLC's, hydraulic and pneumatic drawings/system design/trouble shooting, plumbing, forklift mechanics, aerial lift certifications, rigging and crane operation, etc etc.

And besides, I don't think the resume is the issue. As I have said, I don't have an issue getting calls for jobs that I have applied to. The issue is the lack of information they are willing to provide me before wanting to waste time on an interview.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #49  
Under the functional section, this is where you are listing your skills, you make a section called Industrial Design. Under Industrial design is where you put in blueprint reading, and try to be specific about the blue prints, I don't know enough about it to offer advice. But surely blueprints for a house are different than blueprints for a washing machine. Use the phrase, "Experienced in reading [certain types of] blueprints and whatever else there is in this section. I don't know what laddder logic is but I would think it would go in this Industrial design section. Industrial design is where you are showing you are smart with you brain, it is not the section where you write about work you do with your hands. If it is work with your hands, that belongs in the skills section. A very short sentence like Ladder Logic for blah blah, blah.

You have an Industrial design section, and I would start with that one, then underneath that you list your specific skills.
You want to clue off the potential employer your level of competency in each of your skill sets. You do this by using action words,
Skilled,
Basic competency in blah blah blah (this is for something you once did but for whatever reason you did not advance to highly skilled, so you would write Basic
Expert, do not be afraid to claim the expert level of a skill if you feel you have it. Highly Competent is another descriptor you can place before a skill. And plain old Competent. Don't over sell or under sell, use real true descriptors of you level of competency for each skill.

Your skill section, each of those individual skills must start with a description of your skill level and then you describe the skills, and if appropriate the name brands of the equipment. Always include maintenance and quality control testing of the machine if you did that. You do not say at this employer I used this machine, and at this other employer I used this other machine, no you just lay it out in about 4 sentences and then list the employer underneath.

You mentioned lift truck mechanics, well mechanics is a good skill to write about. Do you know more mechanics than just lift trucks?

What about Hydraulics? If you have worked in hydraulics that is another skill. If you really haven't had a job that had a lot of hydraulics in the job then you could put limited hydraulics under the Mechanics Skill.







Under your Goals Section, I changed it a bit, maybe this would get the message across better and not sound so inflexible.
"Seeking a position with a dynamic company that provides a good work/life balance, flexible between 1st or 3rd shift (1st preferred), with a steady work schedule that provides for occasional moderate overtime and competitive employee benefits."

After I wrote all of the above I decided to write it out. I have given you a good format. Please e-mail me at
info@MasDesBories.com and I can e-mail it to you.
 
   / Applying for jobs and scheduling interviews???? #50  
The president and owner of my first wife's employer, stood up in front of the Xmas party and bragged about his new corvette in a drunken slur. This only a few weeks after cutting about 30% of the company. They are a different breed.

Yeah! A couple months after the RIF, she plans a Holiday Party. We were just out of money and had to let a couple dozen people go, but we have enough for a party for 300 people??? :confused2:
 

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