E-15 fuel in your area?

   / E-15 fuel in your area? #51  
I’m not sure what price fuel would have to reach to make it cost effective to use ethanol. I do know it uses a lot of land, a lot of fertilizer, a lot of machines, and a lot of FUEL to produce so with the cost of all those inputs rising…I’m not a huge fan.
Plus ethanol and gasoline can't be mixed at the refinery so here in the North East we bring in tanker loads of gas and train loads of ethanol to be mixed at the terminal prior to distribution. Therefore trainloads of explosive ethanol are running through densely populated urban areas, one of those being eastern Mass. where non ethanol gas is not available at the pump. This is just as ridiculous as the years and years it took to get ultra poisonous mbte out of gas. Big money, big politics!
 
   / E-15 fuel in your area? #52  
Plus ethanol and gasoline can't be mixed at the refinery so here in the North East we bring in tanker loads of gas and train loads of ethanol to be mixed at the terminal prior to distribution. Therefore trainloads of explosive ethanol are running through densely populated urban areas, one of those being eastern Mass. where non ethanol gas is not available at the pump. This is just as ridiculous as the years and years it took to get ultra poisonous mbte out of gas. Big money, big politics!
Too bad somebody keeps shutting down the pipelines.

MTBE

Ethanol is more gooder. And, in a pinch, you can drink it
 
   / E-15 fuel in your area? #54  
If you've ever had a 'performance' car you know that one way to make it run better is to remove the casting flash from intake runners and intake manifolds. Not a cheap proposition, especially when you get into pushing sand-infused clay through the runners to smooth them out. Very common on aircraft engines. It was called 'Extrude Hone' and I don't know if they're still around or not. Lost interest in it.

Some car manufacturers jumped the gun with their perfectly smooth plastic intake manifolds and used materials that wouldn't stand up to the Ethanol in the gasoline. Cadillac was really a bad one. So were a lot of other generic motors cars. I should know because we replaced a butt-load of them. Some of the smaller Fords had problems too, but not as bad. I think now just aout everybody has plastic intakes. Don't know. Lost interest.

Ethanol had some growing pains, no doubt about it. But it does increase Octane rating by a lot. Pure ethanol has an Octane rating Rating of around 119, IIRC (I'm doing this from memory). And RBOB gasoline just won't burn in your car. The Octane rating is too low. The engine would sound like it was about to blow up if you tried to run it. It probably would blow up in short order.

So it has to be blended with something. Ethyl worked but it had some bad side effects. Ethanol is not perfect but it works really well.

I know a guy that drives a taxi part-time because -- He's nuts, IMHO. Contracts with the VA to carry Vets around, especially to the eye clinic in Miami. But he does it. He's got an old Crown Vic with 700 thousand miles on it and he's only ever run regular pump gas. Never done a thing to the engine. Had to put two transmissions in it, brakes, tires, bearings, etc. But the engine has never been touched. Never.

Maybe I should tell him abut that ethanol-free gasoline. He might make his engine last a little longer.

Well, doesn't this get to be a fun conversation. This will not be resolved in a forum tossing the experience of a brother's sister's cousin who has not done this and experienced that. Still to this day I've not lost interest in technology. I still experiment but much more cautiously.

The principles of the past are still true today. Garbage in, garbage out. Hardware or software or elected officials. Oops, thread drift.
 
   / E-15 fuel in your area? #55  
That is false because i've only had problems with modern devices and their cheaply made rubber and plastic parts. My older 80s era chainsaw and weed eater haven't had any problems with the gas i buy here.
So cheaply made ones have problems? So I’m still correct? Or I’m incorrect because it’s only cheap ones that have problems?
 
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   / E-15 fuel in your area? #57  
I attempted to find more info on E10 blended fuel yrs ago trying to figure out why my mpgs dropped 10-20% when I started using E10 still haven't found a valid compelling argument. I can't understand why blending fuel will reduce oil consumption for gasoline when you just need to burn more of it to travel the same distance. I won't even get started on all the small engine problems, that in a smaller scale the average middle class person has to deal with out of pocket.
Adding alcohol to had is like adding more bread to meatloaf It will fill your belly but just doesn't help anything. It literally takes the same amount of GAS to get from point A to point B. 10% ethanol reduces your MPG by 10%. I know, I still own three cars that I have owned since before the corn additive scam
 
   / E-15 fuel in your area? #58  
Phase separation, if you haven't seen it before:

Phase Separation in Ethanol Gasoline: The Hidden Killer in your Gas Station

A couple of paragraphs before the end of the article:

"Proposed increases in the ethanol blend levels will further elevate a stations’ risk to phase separation. These risks include damage to the petroleum infrastructure, damage to customer vehicles and station brand equity, and the potential to be left with unsaleable fuel."

Marine is the worst, next High Humidity/High Temperature swing environments (where I live)...... if you live in AZ, likely a Don't Care.....

Rgds, D.
 
   / E-15 fuel in your area? #60  
I’m pretty sure ethanol used for fuel is denatured and definitely not safe to drink…
Kinda, sorta. When it comes out of the process, it's drinkable. All alcohol consumed by humans is ethanol (except desperate alcoholics). But before it leaves the plant, it has to be denatured to make it unfit for human consumption.
 

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