Today, would you buy an EV vehicle.

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   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #21  
I guess it might if you only "Off Road." Ha
I guess it might if you only "Off Road." Ha
Back in high school
I helped a disabled get an old golf cart fully licensed…

loaded it up from a berm to bring in for inspection…

They were scratching their heads but it had lights, horn, wiper, brakes, parking brake, etc.

Got the full vehicle license plate…

Who knew we were ahead of our time?
 
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Back in high school
I helped a disabled get an old golf cart fully licensed…

loaded it up from a berm to bring in for inspection…

They were scratching their heads but it had lights, horn, wiper, brakes, parking brake, etc.

Got the full vehicle license plate…

Who knew we were ahead of our time?
I think somewhat rare and very interesting. I guess it met all the requirements and they found it hard to say no. And kinda of funny.. ... hope he was safe.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #23  
I think somewhat rare and very interesting. I guess it met all the requirements and they found it hard to say no. And kinda of funny.. ... hope he was safe.
saw a guy online from the US he did it with his side by side, very cool ... I didnt know such thing was possible.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #26  
Nope. Not right now. They are already talking possible rolling blackouts here in the Midwest. They obviously have doubts on the network now, I'm not gonna throw an electric car into it.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #27  
If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.
When I was in undergrad, I had a technology professor who had a saying: "Pioneers get scalped."
I prefer to wait till after they get all the bugs out.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #28  
I firmly believe that every new thing is a result of lobbyists petitioning gov't to sway the market into their favor and provide them with huge profits at the expense of the little guy who has to pay for it either outright or through their taxes. I am not against ev's but I am against giving out huge incentives and grants to certain companies and then halting pipelines and such of other companies to scue the prices of items to make people think they have to do something to save money. The public is being used and if these vehicles were so great they would make it on their own. Next will be an influx of at home generators because the grid can't power all the chargers and are causing more brownouts.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #29  
When I was in undergrad, I had a technology professor who had a saying: "Pioneers get scalped."
I prefer to wait till after they get all the bugs out.
I agree. I don't buy new, and right now there are no production EVs that appeal to me at all, so even if in the next 8 years they become relatively mainstream, there's still another 8 or so before any of them would be in the age range I'd be likely to buy. In 16 years I'll be 88, if I make it there. Not gonna buy a new car at that age for sure.
We'll have to see how battery technology develops...if an 8 year old car is gonna need a $10k battery in a couple years, that's a deal killer.
I'm not interested in a sedan, nor a big honkin' truck like the Lightning...something more on the line of a Ranger/Colorado or a mid-size SUV. No one's making EVs of those at this time.

And frankly, they're going to have to make EVs a lot more driver-friendly to attract me. The whole everything is controlled via touchscreen is a total turnoff, in fact the huge screens that most EVs have are ugly and look like an afterthought, rather than something integrated.
A huge incentive that spurred sakes was single occupant use of carpool lane.

The EV push is multifaceted... tax credits, free charging, carpool and reduced tolls, tax credits, bragging rights and even home grown in the case of Tesla and Bay Area buyers.
Carpool lane not relevant out here in the sticks.
How much longer are those incentives going to be around should EVs become mainstream? Probably not long. "Bragging rights"? Meh, I buy a vehicle for utility, not to impress others.

Given how clean-running modern vehicles are now, I just don't see that EVs are going to make much if any difference environmentally.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #30  
The electric grid can't handle going to 25% electric cars, some area's can't handle it now. Electric grid gets something like 78% of it's energy from fossil fuels. Not sure what we are really saving by buying EV's. Tailpipe emissions are lower, but still uses fossil fuels to recharge the batterys. Lots of environmental issues with getting materials for making the batteries. Electric car uses twice the copper as an ICE car. Too often I drive from Maine to Virginia. That is 13 hrs of driving and refueling, an EV would add 3 hrs to that trip. EV's have twice the computers an ICE car has and you need to wait for them to wake up and talk to each other before you can go anywhere. VW has developed a process where they can reclaim 95 or 98% of the materials in an EV drive battery for reuse. I don't remember which it was, either way I found it to be an impressive amount.
If there was a small affordable commuter type EV, I might consider one... but there isn't and nobody is talking about making one.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #31  
With many manufacturers now advertising ev, even in trucks (Ford Lightning, CyberTruck, Rivian) would you invest in an EV vehicle? If everything moves to electric, when do you think you would switch to an ev -- or maybe Hybrid. The future of gas and diesel looks questionable.

I bought a new truck in 2021. Things are changing. The V8 engine is almost a thing of the past. When do you think, as you shop for a new vehicle, you will consider EV as your best choice? Will that happen when you want to keep your truck 6-8 years and gas stations might become difficult to find?

Then there are EV tractors.

Just curious. Thought this when looking for a new truck.

I drive a gasoline-powered pickup truck and often haul decent sized loads on a trailer. My next vehicle will be another gasoline-powered pickup truck as I am not enamored with the cost and lack of reliability of the post-2007 on-road diesel engines. A battery-powered vehicle would be almost impossible to use in this situation due to technical limitations.

Batteries do not hold all that much energy, they do not replenish it at a very fast rate, and recharging a battery-powered car battery draws a huge amount of power. Any vehicle that requires a significant amount of energy and/or intends to run for a long time is going to be very difficult to power from a battery due to these significant limitations. This is also why the current battery-powered vehicles are sedans and small "crossover" SUVs, as they require the least power to propel down the road. They are generally used by city dwellers for short trips where they can leave their house and return easily on one battery charge, so they can reasonably charge overnight and not completely kill every power grid, distribution line, and transformer in existence.

A gallon of gasoline has about 114,000 BTU, which is equivalent to 33.4 kWh. A typical 3/4 ton gasser pickup has about a 35 gallon tank. That tank will fill in 5 minutes from completely empty to completely full at a typical gas pump, which dispense 7 gal/min. It takes about 70 HP (52 kW) to propel a typical 3/4 ton pickup empty down the road at 65 MPH to overcome drag force. That truck will get about 12 MPG at that speed, so you will get about 420 miles of range from that gas tank. Now, let's make that 3/4 ton pickup battery-powered. You will need a 330 kWh battery for an equivalent range. Any battery-powered vehicle battery of 100 kWh or larger is considered very large, so this is more than three times as large as a very large battery. A 100 kWh battery in a Tesla Model S with their fastest rapid charger (the 350 kVA "Supercharger") takes about 50 minutes to charge from dead to full, so this would be about three hours to charge from dead to full, for a 6 1/2 hour runtime. Charge the thing at home with a 10 kW "Level 2" charger that uses a 50 amp circuit and you will be charging it for 33 hours. (If you use a regular 120 volt outlet, it will take over a week.) Now, that is with the truck empty. Pull a trailer and your mileage will get even worse, you may only get 250 miles of range before your tank is empty or your battery is dead.

This is also not taking into account the weight of the battery pack. The absolute lightest battery-powered car batteries weigh 13 lb per kWh, so that 330 kWh battery would weigh 4,290 lb. A typical 3/4 ton pickup weighs about 7000 pounds, so this would result in a curb weight increasing to 11,290 pounds. That is over the GVWR of most 1 ton pickups let alone 3/4 tonners, so you would need to upgrade to a 1 1/2 ton to get any actual load-carrying capacity (and then your range drops because it takes even more power to push one of those down the road.) Either that or your range shrinks massively by using a smaller battery in order to try to use the 3/4 ton truck chassis and still have the load-carrying capacity of say, a Ford Ranger. I suppose you could put the battery on a trailer and pull it around behind you to retain some capacity, but that would be a massive hassle, reduce your range due to increased load of pulling the trailer, and reduce your towing capacity by the weight of the battery as it would have to share the trailer with your load.

We haven't even gotten into the cost of such a battery (estimated at about $40,000 or so), that filling up only one battery charge of a 330 kWh battery is about 1/4 of an average household's entire monthly power use for everything else, or that the fastest fast-chargers (which would have to run for 3 hours to charge this battery) draw 14 times as much power as the "large" (25 kVA) residential transformers can handle.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #32  
I firmly believe that every new thing is a result of lobbyists petitioning gov't to sway the market into their favor and provide them with huge profits at the expense of the little guy who has to pay for it either outright or through their taxes. I am not against ev's but I am against giving out huge incentives and grants to certain companies and then halting pipelines and such of other companies to scue the prices of items to make people think they have to do something to save money. The public is being used and if these vehicles were so great they would make it on their own. Next will be an influx of at home generators because the grid can't power all the chargers and are causing more brownouts.

Well said.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #33  
Not now. My cummins should last 20 years or so as it is. So maybe then. I normally keep a vehicle 10+ years and with electric, the batteries lifespan and repair ability wil keep me away. And I repair electronics and such for a living.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #34  
I would much rather have a hybrid Toyota than an EV Ford...or any EV. Given how I would typically use a pickup, an EV would probably work, but i don't like limiting my options.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #35  
What we need is a EV with a luggage rack or rear receiver big enough for my Honda 5000 to tag along...
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #36  
When the government gives up Air Force 1 and all the limousines and SUV's and go electric...that's when I'll consider it
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #37  
If there was a small affordable commuter type EV, I might consider one... but there isn't and nobody is talking about making one
No longer offered in the US, of course. For $20k though, I would want more than a 60 mile range. It might be nice in Boston or DC, but if I lived in those towns I probably would ride the bus.

Correction; if I lived in one of those towns I'd move.
 
   / Today, would you buy an EV vehicle. #38  
The politicians pushing (or mandating) electric vehicles have no concept of cause and effect. When you add a huge electric demand to the grid without first adding the capacity to grid to handle this huge load, the effect will be long power outages and brownouts.

Buy your standby generators to keep your freezers going now if you don't already have one.
 
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