WR 20 hay rake

[kenmac]

looking at a WR 20 8 wheel hay rake. Seems to be in pretty good condition. $1300.00
Pros/cons
Thanks

 

[Tx Jim]

Wheel rakes that have raking wheels behind frames operate fine in thinner type hay crops but plug easier in heavier types of hay. High capacity wheel rakes that have rake wheels mounted in front of raking wheel frames & raking wheels actually push not pull hay.

Most butterfly fold wheel rakes I've seen are less affective the more acres they have raked. The rake frame hinge points get worn oblong allowing raked windrow to narrow/widen during raking process.

 

[CH4Ohio]

looking at a WR 20 8 wheel hay rake. Seems to be in pretty good condition. $1300.00
Pros/cons
Thanks

If it's in good shape, has all its tines, etc., you couldn't touch it for that price around here. If there are a lot of tines missing, or a lot have just been replaced, you might be faced with replacing all the rake wheels to solve the problem of breaking tines.

If I needed an 8 wheel rake, and liked the looks of it, I'd make them an offer with the intent of taking it home.

 

[5030]

Wheel rakes are very rare around here.

 

[Hay Dude]

Wheel rakes are gaining in popularity in my area.

 

[CH4Ohio]

Wheel rakes are very popular here. So simple. Just unfold and drive forward. No PTO to worry with, really no adjustments. And they do a great job. An 8 wheel rake like this one will clear about 23' and brings all the hay to the center. If you want a kicker wheel, that's something to think about. But if you use a tedder and you normally move your hay once or twice prior to raking, not really necessary. (I use mine without a kicker wheel. Bunches up and jams up much less.)

Super easy for anyone to use. In hay that's too heavy, just move over and take a smaller bite. Simple.

 

[Tx Jim]

An 8 wheel rake like this one will clear about 23' and brings all the hay to the center. Simple.

I've raked with wheel rakes since the mid 1990's. You're overstating the raking width of an 8 wheel @ 23 feet.

Similar type JD model 702 8 wheel rake specifications in operators manual states maximum raking width @ 19.8' & 10 wheel @ 22' . My H&S ""14 wheel"" high cap rake will only rake about 30' width.

I'll add when rd baling moving over with a wheel rake to rake partial cutter swath on one side of rake causes an uneven windrow which makes creating a flat/even rd bale much more difficult. That's one of the large advantages of a bi-fold rake similar to my H&S hi-cap rake. If hay is too thick just move hyd cylinder control lever to move rake wings together to proper width to form an even windrow.

 

[CH4Ohio]

I've raked with wheel rakes since the mid 1990's. You're overstating the raking width of an 8 wheel @ 23 feet.

Similar type JD model 702 8 wheel rake specifications in operators manual states maximum raking width @ 19.8' & 10 wheel @ 22' . My H&S ""14 wheel"" high cap rake will only rake about 30' width.

I'll add when rd baling moving over with a wheel rake to rake partial cutter swath on one side of rake causes an uneven windrow which makes creating a flat/even rd bale much more difficult. That's one of the large advantages of a bi-fold rake similar to my H&S hi-cap rake. If hay is too thick just move hyd cylinder control lever to move rake wings together to proper width to form an even windrow.

Thanks for the correction on the width. That sounds about right. But almost 20' of raking width for $1300 sure beats using a PTO driven bar rake.

I have a small JD square baler and it's pretty forgiving about uneven windrows. I don't think NH or some other small balers with different pickups handle them as well. Good point about round balers.

I kind of assumed that the OP is looking for equipment on the cheaper end of the spectrum given the original question. A rake like yours would be LOTS more wouldn't it? (Like 10 times more for a used one?)

 

[Tx Jim]

My H&S Hi-cap rake cost $9000 in 2002 but it has now raked many 1000's of acres/rd bales therefore my rake cost per acre is low. . I've read that equivalent new rake is over $20K. There's a 2002 model similar to my rake on Tractorhouse fot $9,900

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listing/for-sale/214910641/2002-h-and-s-hc4114-hay-rakes-hay-and-forage-equipment

 

[CH4Ohio]

My H&S Hi-cap rake cost $9000 in 2002 but it has now raked many 1000's of acres/rd bales therefore my rake cost per acre is low. . I've read that equivalent new rake is over $20K. There's a 2002 model similar to my rake on Tractorhouse fot $9,900

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listing/for-sale/214910641/2002-h-and-s-hc4114-hay-rakes-hay-and-forage-equipment

It is crazy how expensive equipment is! Good used equipment around here is somewhat hard to find. I sold a used Sitrex 10-wheel rake with kicker about 3 years ago for $3100. (The buyer still loves it.) Couldn't buy it for $4000 now.

That's why I suggested that $1300 is a good price if it's in good shape. I use a similar style on a 2-wheel caddy and it works good for my small operation. Just depends on what you're looking for . . .

 

[Tx Jim]

No doubt $1300 is an excellent price for an 8 wheel rake.

 

[kenmac]

The Vermeer wr 20 is a smaller frame wheel rake is why I asked. Most of the newer ones I have seen have a much larger frame. It also uses a single cylinder to raise and lower both sides.
No way to raise or lower each side individually.
this isn't it but similar

 

[kenmac]

note the single cylinder . It appears you can let one side down manually with a turn buckle

 

[CH4Ohio]

I have a different brand that's set up a little different, but it also uses a single cylinder. I can pull a pin and disconnect either side from the cylinder. I've only needed to do this once when a friend wrapped one arm around a tree, but it's simple to operate only one side.

I suspect that one is the same as far as being able to disengage either arm.

 

[5030]

I think it all depends in what crop you are raking actually. Grass hay is probably ok, alfalfa questionable

 

[HayDR]

A WR20 Vermeer rake was made by Tonutti before the World-Agra fiasco. This means it is no longer in production and the parts DO NOT EXSIST. Most parts can be fabricated. Because of the parts situation $500-800 is more the value. Just call a Vermeer dealer and they will tell you they have no parts support for these rakes.

 

[CH4Ohio]

A WR20 Vermeer rake was made by Tonutti before the World-Agra fiasco. This means it is no longer in production and the parts DO NOT EXSIST. Most parts can be fabricated. Because of the parts situation $500-800 is more the value. Just call a Vermeer dealer and they will tell you they have no parts support for these rakes.

The arms and the wheels and the tines are interchangeable with most wheel rakes. In times of breakdown I've swapped arms from one brand rake to another and only had to pull a pin to remove an arm and the attached wheels and install on another brand rake. Seems that Sitrex, M&W, Tonutti, and the other Italian rakes use a lot of the same parts above the caddy.

I wouldn't be afraid of this rake based on parts availability. Just my opinion.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Within the month I bought hay equipment. 900 for a round baler that was ready to go. 1000 for a v rake with two cylinders, worked fine. 1400 for a disc mower, I had to buy blades, bolts, and make a cover for it I've already used all this once. Everything worked A okay.

 

[kenmac]

A WR20 Vermeer rake was made by Tonutti before the World-Agra fiasco. This means it is no longer in production and the parts DO NOT EXSIST. Most parts can be fabricated. Because of the parts situation $500-800 is more the value. Just call a Vermeer dealer and they will tell you they have no parts support for these rakes.

I have seen some for sale, that had the rale wheels replaced. Not sure where they got the parts. They Must interchange with other brands

 

[Tx Jim]

I have seen some for sale, that had the rale wheels replaced. Not sure where they got the parts. They Must interchange with other brands

A lot of rake wheel/parts will interchange. I've been installing Kuhn rake wheels on my H&S Hi-cap rake because I think Kuhn wheel teeth last longer raking than H&S rake teeth.