John Deere Vs Cub Cadet Garden Tractors

[savageactor7]

Alrighty then I stand corrected, JD builds JD's. HUH!

 

[Cub gt 2544=best]

Cub Cadets IMO are superior to John Deeres. Unless were talking about the cheap lawn tractors then i dont really matter.

 

[Carl_NH]

Cub Cadets IMO are superior to John Deeres. Unless were talking about the cheap lawn tractors then i dont really matter.

Well, that blanket statement is disputable. Agreed from 1965-1985 Cub's and Wheel Horse were dominant GT's, and JD was late to the game with a true GT (garden tractor) as JD was focused on farm machines, and mowers were a sideline market that the farmer bought to mow the grass.

In years 1990-2000 JD caught up with the 318 model and other direct drive models, while CC and Wheelhorse were sold to Toro and MTD, and in the mid 90's they suffered from corporate cost cutting/mass market demand and JD developed more capable machines X500 and so on, so today I believe JD is now the leader in the true GT market, however CC does make a good machine too.

It's also relevant that consumers (1990-2010) wanted a "ride on mower" only, so the demand for true GT's got smaller, while the "consumer MTD market mower" exploded and at the same time, real compact tractors e.g. Kubota, and JD Yanmar machines entered the market.

 

[tacticalturnip]

It's also relevant that consumers (1990-2010) wanted a "ride on mower" only, so the demand for true GT's got smaller, while the "consumer MTD market mower" exploded and at the same time, real compact tractors e.g. Kubota, and JD Yanmar machines entered the market.

You're right, the introduction of the subcompact to the market was the knife to the heart of the garden tractor market.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

Don't know why you said that. Seems a tad illogical to mix PTO applications with a dedicated mower for the sake of an illogical snarky remark.

Seems illogical to compare a zero turn to a garden tractor. Period. Mowers aren’t PTO-driven? You said zeroes were better. I told you why they’re not ubiquitous and don’t make sense for everyone.

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

You're right, the introduction of the subcompact to the market was the knife to the heart of the garden tractor market.

That’s absolutely true . In most applications, a small scut will outperform a garden tractor in every way. When you start looking at the JD x700 series vs a 1-series scut, the 1-series is clearly the better choice in most cases. The only real advantage to a garden tractor is that they can still get a narrow deck and have low overhead clearance and a smaller footprint. If you’ve got a lot of obstacles, low hanging branches and rough ground, the garden tractor is better.

 

[ruffdog]

The all-wheel-steering option was a game changer for me so I have a Deere X744. For yard mowing, it does a great job and the wife loves it. She mows the yard while I work on other stuff. I also have a 1983 982 IH Cub Cadet.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Two VERY handsome machines.

My only experience with AWS was an X304, and while it took time to adjust it was absolutely awesome. Very nimble!

 

[ruffdog]

Two VERY handsome machines.

My only experience with AWS was an X304, and while it took time to adjust it was absolutely awesome. Very nimble!

I also have the snowblower and original HD 60 mower deck (made by woods?) for the 982.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I also have the snowblower and original HD 60 mower deck (made by woods?) for the 982.

That 60" deck is in beautiful shape, is it original paint?

 

[ruffdog]

That 60" deck is in beautiful shape, is it original paint?

I doubt it. I bought the 982 in the late 90's and it had new paint, engine, tires, seat, fuel tank, steering wheel, etc....by the dealer. He would restore tractors during the winter months.

 

[duffer]

I had a Cub Cadet that I used for "trimming" around my 5 acres of lawn, as well as mow the fenced in back yard (¼ acre). Didn't really like it from the 1st day I had it. Recently sold it for a used JD mower. Like the JD much better. Also seems to be more fuel efficient than the Cub. Parts are also easier to get and generic parts are less expensive (blades, filters, plug, etc) for the JD than the Cub.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I had a Cub Cadet that I used for "trimming" around my 5 acres of lawn, as well as mow the fenced in back yard (¼ acre). Didn't really like it from the 1st day I had it. Recently sold it for a used JD mower. Like the JD much better. Also seems to be more fuel efficient than the Cub. Parts are also easier to get and generic parts are less expensive (blades, filters, plug, etc) for the JD than the Cub.

Do you remember the model by chance?

 

[Cub gt 2544=best]

Well, that blanket statement is disputable. Agreed from 1965-1985 Cub's and Wheel Horse were dominant GT's, and JD was late to the game with a true GT (garden tractor) as JD was focused on farm machines, and mowers were a sideline market that the farmer bought to mow the grass.

In years 1990-2000 JD caught up with the 318 model and other direct drive models, while CC and Wheelhorse were sold to Toro and MTD, and in the mid 90's they suffered from corporate cost cutting/mass market demand and JD developed more capable machines X500 and so on, so today I believe JD is now the leader in the true GT market, however CC does make a good machine too.

It's also relevant that consumers (1990-2010) wanted a "ride on mower" only, so the demand for true GT's got smaller, while the "consumer MTD market mower" exploded and at the same time, real compact tractors e.g. Kubota, and JD Yanmar machines entered the market.

As far as im concerned, the cub 2500 series are better than the x500 series. I own both tractors so i know first hand.

 

[tacticalturnip]

You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be.

 

[Cub gt 2544=best]

You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be.

What do you mean by wrong? No offense.

 

[duffer]

Do you remember the model by chance?

I think the Cub was a 1545 or a 1045. Had a 20 hp Koehler V-twin engine in it.
Sorry that's all this old fart can remember.

 

[tacticalturnip]

What do you mean by wrong? No offense.

None taken; by wrong I mean you probably have some form of personal attachment to the GT25xx that causes you to feel it's superior to the X5xx. Don't think that's a knock on the Cub Cadet, so much as a testament to the overall quality of the Deere. Mechanically, the GT25xx is a solid machine; the Kohler Command is an excellent engine, the Hydro-Gear rear is absolutely solid, and these basics make up the current Cub Cadet XT3- which I've owned previously. The shaft-drive, a hallmark of Cub Cadet, does an excellent job maintaining a consistent transfer of power throughout the life of the machine, where the efficiency of a drive-belt will ware down in time. That aside, the design of the hood was absolutely preposterous, and it's ability to trap heat was second-to-none.

Now the Deere X5xx runs Kawasaki FH engines, to include formerly the liquid-cooled X540 and current fuel-injected X590; a belt transfers that power to a TuffTorq K72 rear-end, which provides more torque than the HG BDU-10 in the Cub Cadet. All models of the X5xx include a differential lock, I don't believe the GT25xx offered one, though eventually Cub offered it with the XT3 GSX- two generations after the GT25xx. I don't recall if the GT25xx offered hydraulics, or if you had to bump up to a GT30xx to get them; the higher-end X5xx machines had a basic hydraulic system that provides both power lift and steering- and I believe also powered attachments like the sleeve hitch. [EDIT]: Also, the Deere machines are offered with 4-wheel steer.

Both machines offered belt-driven rototillers, were excellent snow fighters, and had their fans. Both are, for all intents and purposes, still in production- though it's technically been two generations since the GT25xx was new, the XT3 is a direct descendent.

The Cub Cadet offers productivity and features similar to Deere at a lower price, where the Deere has (arguably I suppose) superior ergonomics and absolutely superior fit and finish. The Deere is also physically larger, and heavier.

I've never owned an X5xx, and absolutely loved my XT3, but there is a reason the X5xx sells so well- and it's not because they're a bargain.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I think the Cub was a 1545 or a 1045. Had a 20 hp Koehler V-twin engine in it.
Sorry that's all this old fart can remember.

Akin to this?

 

[duffer]

Akin to this?

The LT 1045 is the one I had for a couple of years before I sold it.