My Industrial Cabin Build

[ovrszd]

Oh those pesky inspectors who who sometimes just want to make life hard on those of us who do our own work ! I always put my ground on the top. It looks better to me and my natural grasp of a cord with a ground prong is always positioned with the ground prong on top. Always been told that commercial work has the ground on top for reasons already explained here.

So...how many here wrap the outlet with electrician tape to cover the connections, so as to prevent something coming in contact and shorting out the outlet ? I do it all the time.

In a crowded box for sure. And tighten the unused screws so they don't protrude. I also prefer 20A quality receptacles and switches.

 

[dirttoys]

Electrical outlets. Three prong outlet. Which way is which. For years I have heard that the ground should be on the top and some outlets have writing on them that would be upside down if you did otherwise. My wife wants me to have the ground on the bottom. What do you guys think?View attachment 780111

On union commercial jobs they put the ground up. Residential seems to always be ground down. I don't believe there are rules or code.

Best,

ed

 

[747driver]

In a crowded box for sure. And tighten the unused screws so they don't protrude. I also prefer 20A quality receptacles and switches.

I wire all my receptacles with 20amp.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

I wire all my receptacles with 20amp.

The only 15 amp in my house is for smoke detectors. I may use some in my barn just for lights. But mostly because I have a spare reel or two of 14/2. And Even though my wife wants me to sell/ give away all my tools, I have no intention of wasting it.

New video posted today. You guys might recognize one of my helpers.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

If the helper would just stay out of the way of the camera a couple times.

Final layout looks great.

 

[ovrszd]

If the helper would just stay out of the way of the camera a couple times.

Final layout looks great.

You probably didn't have that issue when building your house!!!

 

[buckeyefarmer]

You probably didn't have that issue when building your house!!!

Those cabinet levelers are really nice.
I’m glad I took all the pictures I did of wiring and pipes, always going back to them.

 

[EddieWalker]

I like to use 15 amp lines for the lights and keep them separate from the 20 amp lines for my outlets.

 

[Gator6x4]

I like to use 15 amp lines for the lights and keep them separate from the 20 amp lines for my outlets.

I think 15 for lights and 20 for wall receptacles is code in most locations. With the exception of GFI's being required for all receptacles in the kitchen and bathroom near water.

Some States have different requirements for Residences and Commercial properties.

In some states GFCI protection is not required for receptacles installed outside a commercial or industrial occupancy.

Some States also require GFCI's in residential workshops and garages as well as any residential outside receptacles.

 

[ovrszd]

Those cabinet levelers are really nice.
I’m glad I took all the pictures I did of wiring and pipes, always going back to them.

Yep, I had never saw the levelers in action. I literally have hundreds of pics of our house during construction.

 

[gary49]

FWIW you can use 15 amp receptacles in a 20 amp circuit as long as there’s more than one place to plug in on the circuit, in other words, a dedicated receptacle. It’s good to use 20 amp receptacles in shop areas since that’s the only place you’re likely to find a need for the ability to take a 20 amp plug. Not a bad idea in the kitchen, too, since the 20 amp ones are a bit more robust, even though I can’t think of a kitchen appliance that has a 20 amp plug. Most electrical contractors would be using 15 amp receptacles on your 20 amp circuits for reasons of economy. We won’t talk about commercial grade vs residential grade switches and receptacles.

 

[kinglake]

The internals of a 15amp receptacle are 100% identical to a 20amp receptacle. There is absolutely no reason to use a 20amp receptacle unless you have or plan to have an appliance that needs that plug type which is HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[Gator6x4]

Most homes use 15 amp wall receptacles with a 20 amp circuit breaker. Most 110 volt Window Air Conditioner come with a plug requiring a 20 amp wall receptacle.

 

[kinglake]

Most homes use 15 amp wall receptacles with a 20 amp circuit breaker. Most 110 volt Window Air Conditioner come with a plug requiring a 20 amp wall receptacle.

Not to be argumentative, but you'd be hard pressed to find a window A/C with a 110v 20amp plug. It is by far and away the exception versus the rule. In fact, I just did a cursory search of units up to 15k btu and can't find any with a 20amp plug.

 

[Gator6x4]

Not to be argumentative, but you'd be hard pressed to find a window A/C with a 110v 20amp plug. It is by far and away the exception versus the rule. In fact, I just did a cursory search of units up to 15k btu and can't find any with a 20amp plug.

20 amp Receptables.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hubbell-White-20-Amp-Round-Air-Conditioner-Residential-Air-Conditioner/1000050873

Lowes, Home Depot and Best Buy will fix you right up.

Google Search

www.google.com

 

[kinglake]

20 amp Receptables.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hubbell-White-20-Amp-Round-Air-Conditioner-Residential-Air-Conditioner/1000050873

Lowes, Home Depot and Best Buy will fix you right up.

Google Search

www.google.com

None of the AC units you linked to have 20amp plugs. Typing something into Google and getting results doesn't make it true. Actually click on the AC units and you will see they all have standard 15amp plugs.

 

[BigBlue1]

None of the AC units you linked to have 20amp plugs. Typing something into Google and getting results doesn't make it true. Actually click on the AC units and you will see they all have standard 15amp plugs.

Are you trying to say that none of the units use a 120V 20A plug? That may be true. Most appear to be 240V units. I pulled up Gator's Google search and went to the 'shopping' view of it. 4 of the 5 units I looked at (all of them that I could find plug info for) said they use NEMA 6-20P. That's a 20A 240v plug. So yes, it is 20A, but it is not the 120V 20A style. You may both be 'correct' but just not talking about the same exact subject.

 

[dstig1]

I like to use 15 amp lines for the lights and keep them separate from the 20 amp lines for my outlets.

My preference too. The wires on light fixtures are so tiny and the space is often so small to work in that the smaller size and extra flexibility of 14 ga helps a lot. Plus nowadays with LEDs drawing so little power, a 15A circuit goes a loooong way on lights.

Plus when you trip a breaker (usually due to something you plugged in) the lights don't wink out too!

 

[747driver]

I like those cabinet levelers ! I assume you have finished toe kick panels to install as well ?

Did you think about trimming out the windows before installing the cabinets ? Going to be a bit more of a headache now with the cabinets in the way. Nice work as usual from you guys !!!

 

[kinglake]

Are you trying to say that none of the units use a 120V 20A plug? That may be true. Most appear to be 240V units. I pulled up Gator's Google search and went to the 'shopping' view of it. 4 of the 5 units I looked at (all of them that I could find plug info for) said they use NEMA 6-20P. That's a 20A 240v plug. So yes, it is 20A, but it is not the 120V 20A style. You may both be 'correct' but just not talking about the same exact subject.

Correct. Units above 15k BTU are 240v, not 120v. The discussion was about 120v circuit wiring and receptacles and there are simply no 120v AC units that use 120v 20amp plugs.

We took this thread off-topic though, my apologies.