How to spend your legacy?

[ovrszd]

I don’t agree that there is moral equivalence in justifying abortion with assisted suicide or vice versa.

To me they are both morally reprehensible. I support life from conception to natural death. It‘s understandable why others don’t see it the same way. This discussion took a healthy turn to air some concerns about dementia and its effects on family. Going into a full blown Abortion vs Euthanasia discussion is way beyond TBN political guidelines. I hope we can keep this discussion healthy.

I never said the word "moral". I simply am talking from the "legal" side.

I've had some very, very crappy days. But I've never considered suicide. I don't believe in it because of a bad day. That's not what I'm talking about.

Impossible to talk about health care without politics.

 

[two_bit_score]

I am sorry, but while I agree with your admonition to keep the conversation on topic I vehemently disagree with the idea that when someone doesn't like the direction that a conversation is going that they should threaten to get the thread shut down. We are adults. We should be able to self moderate by asking people to get back to topic, but if that doesn't work then we should be mature enough to simply move on to another thread. Sick and tired of seeing so many closed threads here.

There is no threat but just a friendly cautionary reminder.

 

[Snobdds]

I think we all are Genetically designed at conception. I think there are things parents can do when raising their children that can affect how those genetics are utilized. I think there are things we can do as adults that can affect how those genetics are utilized. I think with the best of intentions and habits at a point the Genetic map that was drawn in that instant of conception takes over. As the old saying goes: It's your lot in life.

You got it. Look at your parents and you will see your future.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just throwing this out there:

Many people sign “DNR’s”.
Is it morally reprehensible to sign a dementia DNR, where one would sign over a document to permit euthanasia in the event that the individual can no longer feed themself, bedridden and cannot recognize any relatives anymore for a given period of time say a year??

Keep in mind, you sign this before there’s any sign of mental impairment.

Asking for a friend……

 

[IndyJay]

I suspect that happens more often than we know about. The sad thing is when others wind up being unwittingly involved.

Often there are well-meaning laws and rules that force people into difficult decisions. The case mentioned was of a terminally ill person who faced a future of great pain that would only worsen each day. He apparently felt there was only one option to end it but also had another difficult decision regarding the well-being of his family. What a tragic "solution".

My brother was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma and given months to live. His insurance company went ahead and paid out his death benefit while he was still alive, probably at a reduced amount but still good for him. What good is the money when he is dead? He was able to make and pay for his final expenses and still leave some money to wife and kids. Ironically he went into remission and miraculously the effects began to reverse. He was killed in a motorcycle accident 4-5 months after he was originally supposed to die from the disease.

I personally despise abortion but if a person makes that decision in the first trimester I consider it a fair compromise. End of life matters are a little different. If a person is in final stages of a terminal disease (well beyond where my brother was) they should have options. I often wonder if Hospice sometimes helps things along since so many I've lost seemed to go very fast after entering Hospice. Not saying they are, just that I have wondered.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Hay Dude]

You got it. Look at your parents and you will see your future.

Meh…not so sure.
I worked with a guy that smoked & drank. Died at 58. Parents lived clean. Died in their 90’s.

It’s both nature & nature.

One could be born with genes that would allow 90 year life, but through careless lifestyle cut that number well short.

 

[Hay Dude]

Often there are well-meaning laws and rules that force people into difficult decisions. The case mentioned was of a terminally ill person who faced a future of great pain that would only worsen each day. He apparently felt there was only one option to end it but also had another difficult decision regarding the well-being of his family. What a tragic "solution".

My brother was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma and given months to live. His insurance company went ahead and paid out his death benefit while he was still alive, probably at a reduced amount but still good for him. What good is the money when he is dead? He was able to make and pay for his final expenses and still leave some money to wife and kids. Ironically he went into remission and miraculously the effects began to reverse. He was killed in a motorcycle accident 4-5 months after he was originally supposed to die from the disease.

I personally despise abortion but if a person makes that decision in the first trimester I consider it a fair compromise. End of life matters are a little different. If a person is in final stages of a terminal disease (well beyond where my brother was) they should have options. I often wonder if Hospice sometimes helps things along since so many I've lost seemed to go very fast after entering Hospice. Not saying they are, just that I have wondered.

Just my thoughts.

My dad went 3 days after entering hospice, but he was comfortable, clean and treated more humanely than we could have.

My mom actually called an ambulance in her last months and asked them to take her to hospice. She was so weak after being used to being so strong.
After a week in hospice, she wasn’t feeling as bad, she got rest and rehab.
She and I agreed she would move a hospice bed and home support into my home.
She lasted weeks and was very well cared for. Lots of morphine and favorite foods every day. We watched her favorite programs together and went through hundreds of pictures and plans for her belongings.

 

[IndyJay]

Meh…not so sure.
I worked with a guy that smoked & drank. Died at 58. Parents lived clean. Died in their 90’s.

It’s both nature & nature.

One could be born with genes that would allow 90 year life, but through careless lifestyle cut that number well short.

Have you ever heard of Keith Richards?

 

[tradosaurus]

Good plan.

I absolutely DO NOT believe in Euthanasia without prior consent and consideration of the receiving participant.

In futuristic times I think it will be common. Without consent.

Need to harvest those organs.

 

[two_bit_score]

She lasted weeks and was very well cared for. Lots of morphine and favorite foods every day. We watched her favorite programs together and went through hundreds of pictures and plans for her belongings.

It’s good that things worked out and you got some good time with your mom.

Both of my parents have passed on and both lived long and died peacefully. Just had an uncle recently pass peacefully at 106. My prayers are that everyone could go peacefully and naturally at their appointed time, including me.

 

[MossRoad]

Just throwing this out there:

Many people sign “DNR’s”.
Is it morally reprehensible to sign a dementia DNR, where one would sign over a document to permit euthanasia in the event that the individual can no longer feed themself, bedridden and cannot recognize any relatives anymore for a given period of time say a year??

Keep in mind, you sign this before there’s any sign of mental impairment.

Asking for a friend……

My father in-law had a DNR wristband. He also had a pacemaker. When he was on his last day, they found out it wasn't just a pacemaker, but also a defibrillator. He wasn't supposed to have that. Just a pacemaker. It kept shocking his heart back even though he had probably died the night before. Either way, we had to shut if off with a magnet on his chest. It took a couple hours.

 

[4570Man]

I don’t agree that there is moral equivalence in justifying abortion with assisted suicide or vice versa.

To me they are both morally reprehensible. I support life from conception to natural death. It‘s understandable why others don’t see it the same way. This discussion took a healthy turn to air some concerns about dementia and its effects on family. Going into a full blown Abortion vs Euthanasia discussion is way beyond TBN political guidelines. I hope we can keep this discussion healthy.

What would be a natural death? Most end of life patients would die years before they do if nature was left to sort itself out. Keeping someone around in a vegetative state in a facility that mostly only exists to take their last dollar doesn’t seem very natural. Canada has received a lot of hate for implementing the idea but people should have options to die that aren’t slow and painful as well as exorbitantly expensive.

 

[ovrszd]

Just throwing this out there:

Many people sign “DNR’s”.
Is it morally reprehensible to sign a dementia DNR, where one would sign over a document to permit euthanasia in the event that the individual can no longer feed themself, bedridden and cannot recognize any relatives anymore for a given period of time say a year??

Keep in mind, you sign this before there’s any sign of mental impairment.

Asking for a friend……

I support that.

My only caveat might be the time period you posted. A year is a long time to be in a vegetative state.

 

[oosik]

Dudley - I think that your gift to the local Sherifs office is a most kind gesture. In my case I would split it between the local Salvation Army and the ASPCA. Both organizations are doing wonderful jobs in our area.

Needy people - needy animals - - that's the way I would go.

 

[kevin37b]

When life gets over . It is over forever,no need for pain . Kevin .

 

[Hay Dude]

My father in-law had a DNR wristband. He also had a pacemaker. When he was on his last day, they found out it wasn't just a pacemaker, but also a defibrillator. He wasn't supposed to have that. Just a pacemaker. It kept shocking his heart back even though he had probably died the night before. Either way, we had to shut if off with a magnet on his chest. It took a couple hours.

My dad had same, but he knew he had both. When they shut his off, I freaked out and attacked the guy that did it. He left. He returned after I was calmed down. It was a bad scene and I regret it. Just didn’t want to see my dear ol dad go.

 

[Hay Dude]

It’s good that things worked out and you got some good time with your mom.

Both of my parents have passed on and both lived long and died peacefully. Just had an uncle recently pass peacefully at 106. My prayers are that everyone could go peacefully and naturally at their appointed time, including me.

Amen brother.

 

[2manyrocks]

A lot of hard decisions and none the easier when under the stress of a serious illness or the grief that comes from seeing someone close to us go through what may be their final illness.

I really believe that having instructions in advance takes a great burden off the person having to make these decisions.

Sometimes the choices we have to make are like trying to pick the least worst option.

 

[two_bit_score]

What would be a natural death?

Ecclesiastes 3:1-6 NASB1995​

There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven— A time to give birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted. A time to kill and a time to heal; A time to tear down and a time to build up. A time to weep and a time to laugh; A time to mourn and a time to dance. A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones; A time to embrace and a time to shun embracing. A time to search and a time to give up as lost; A time to keep and a time to throw away.
NASB1995: New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995


We all have a time to be born and an appointed time to die.

 

[Streetcar]

Dementia is terrible disease. Patients have good days and bad ones. It is toddler in reverse. With babies you track the new things they can do. Dementia causes you to see the things they use to do and may not be able to complete in the future. Patients are easily confused and become angry because of confusion