Post COVID CUT tractoring “truths”

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I know all that. I'm old. I've been successful at business for longer than most people live, and grateful for every minute.
One of the things I've learned is that there are some times when it is better to not say anything & just let the person think about it.
rScotty

Scotty, what is there to think about?

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

If you want to forfeit your rights to some corporation have at it pal.

So, what has been your personal experience with Kioti arbitration? Did they not fix your tractor; put in used parts instead of new; taken too long to fix it; scratch the paint, what exactly?

 

[Hay Dude]

I’m going to “red pencil” through anything I don’t like on the CNH sales contract I’m doing on a NH wheel rake in the next few weeks and see what the sales team from Messicks says about it.

Stay tuned.

 

[tacticalturnip]

I’m going to “red pencil” through anything I don’t like on the CNH sales contract I’m doing on a NH wheel rake in the next few weeks and see what the sales team from Messicks says about it.

Stay tuned.

I genuinely look forward to the results, and would love for them to be positive. I've never considered this before, and it would restore some of my faith in humanity.

 

[Hay Dude]

I genuinely look forward to the results, and would love for them to be positive. I've never considered this before, and it would restore some of my faith in humanity.

I’m just being a wise guy. I’m not “red penciling” anything. I may ask some questions, but in my 30 years of buying equipment, I learned to not mark up contracts until both parties agree.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Of course they won't, they will sue for a buy back.

You clearly don't have a clue about arbitration.

Yeah right.... YOU don't have a clue about arbitration! Arbitration is far easier and much cheaper than a lawsuit.
Arbitration is done by an independent, non biased, legal authority. If a consumer can prove that they have a faulty tractor, the arbitrator can actually grant the consumer a new tractor.

If you were to file a lawsuit, now your lawyer goes up against the corporate lawyers..... who do you think is going to win? Then you are on the hook for your attorneys fees, plus, possibly the corporate costs..... Not to mention, if it's a jury trial, how many of those jurors know anything about tractors.....

You need to get out from under your rock every now and then.....

 

[tacticalturnip]

I’m just being a wise guy. I’m not “red penciling” anything. I may ask some questions, but in my 30 years of buying equipment, I learned to not mark up contracts until both parties agree.

Building me up, just to knock me down...

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Yeah right.... YOU don't have a clue about arbitration! Arbitration is far easier and much cheaper than a lawsuit.
Arbitration is done by an independent, non biased, legal authority. If a consumer can prove that they have a faulty tractor, the arbitrator can actually grant the consumer a new tractor.

If you were to file a lawsuit, now your lawyer goes up against the corporate lawyers..... who do you think is going to win? Then you are on the hook for your attorneys fees, plus, possibly the corporate costs..... Not to mention, if it's a jury trial, how many of those jurors know anything about tractors.....

You need to get out from under your rock every now and then.....

Looks like I've ruffled some LS feathers again...

 

[bazzer57]

These are my opinions. There are tons of newbees getting into CUTs and hobby farms; I think it is time to review some “facts”. At the very least I look at this like PCs now - buy what works for YOU!!

“Never ending ‘add this’”. I was on a budget of $25k in 2019 and made it. Just barely. Cab? Nice to have, would have added $5k or more and weight (see below). More hp? I bought 35; mine was available in 40 (same machine otherwise) for $2k more; couldn’t stay in budget. Weight? Frame? Even more hp. See next comment

“Get as big as you can” aka “get one size bigger than what you think you need”. Not for me. I’m a hobby farmer. With 14 acres of prairie to mow and generally keep up with I chose 35hp hst. The perfect machine for me. Would I like to have more hp? Once in a blue moon when grass gets really high and I have to slow down, but so what? Doesn’t affect loader work. And a bigger frame to allow more loader capacity isn’t really a need either (besides I bought kioti with best in class lift already). An extra hour added to 12 hours of mowing 4-5x/year is negligible. Besides I LIKE riding and using my machine!!

“Non-tractor considerations”

“Truck”. I have a 2005 small block f150. I have no plans or other need to replace it. But I can only pull 6700#. Going larger frame or bigger trailer etc would mean a different truck if I EVER need to pull it

“Trailer”. For me 7k is enough. Sure 10k is nicer. And 14k as well. But also heavier and this impacts total towing weight (see truck comments above) plus more $.

“Dealer importance”. I’ve been back twice in 5 years. Didn’t and don’t care. It’s a hobby farm; I don’t need to rely on my dealer nor build a relationship. My CUT is not used for my livelihood and if I don’t have it for a couple of weeks it is simply an inconvenience not a problem. I bought the best deal and shooed dealers until I got it.

“Resale”. I didn’t and don’t care. Some do. For me I wanted a machine to last for 20 years not to trade out like a car (which I don’t do either). Besides kioti sells (or sold) for 80% of a similar kubota new. Most of them near me sell for 80% of similar kubota used. So yes they resell for less but they cost less up front and retain about the same overall percentage value.

“Weight vs affordability.” I bought the kioti ck3510. Love it. Sure I’d like to have had the dk for more weight and larger frame. But extra $ and extra weight driving me to a bigger trailer for more $ and a new truck for more $

“Don’t buy new, buy used implements”. Have you really looked lately - like in the last 6 months?They aren’t the same prices they were 5 years ago; heck not even the same price as 1 year ago. And availability isn’t good either; people recognize what they have and are hanging onto them, or selling for extra $. It may still be cheaper to buy used but that’s IF you can find it.

“Xxx hasn’t been around as long as JD or Kubota.” So what. For CUTs those names aren’t the same as they were nor the same as their real Ag machines. The one I chose - kioti - has been in the US for more than 30 years; I’ll likely have left my machine to my survivors in 30 years. And EVERY brand has recalls, detractors, supporters, and (especially since 2021) parts issues.

Yeah , a gent with the same philosophy as me.
To me, it's the same logical pragmatic approach whether it's tractors, cars, trucks, PCs, phones, bikes, or whatever (dare I say wives/girlfriends?/(husbands/boyfriends??)). We all want more/better........ but it's not an ideal world. So make sensible choices based on your needs, priorities and budget.

 

[kenhar]

Opinions are like noses and other specific body parts, everybodys got one. If you are happy with what you have and where you are in life, you are a winner. If you are unhappy and envious of the neighbors, tuff s--t.