Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

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I should have worded it as net metering residential systems are not allowed to have batteries by most utiities. If not grid tied for net metering they likely wouldn't know.

Not the case in California.

 

[TN8Man]

What information do you have to support your statement? Many states have transitioned their power grid away from coal and yet things are still working.

Which state or city run's 100% on solar and/or wind energy?

The problem with solar energy is it only works with unobstructed sunlight. They don't produce much electricity on cloudy days or overcast. The government is moving forward with geoengineering solar radiation management (SRM) which purposely creates solar dimming resulting in less sunlight on earth to combat global warming. This does impact the ability for solar panels to produce electricity.

Wind turbines only work when there is enough wind to rotate the blades fast enough to produce electricity.

For a state or city to run 100% renewable energy they would need massive solar panel fields, much more than what currently exists and/or massive wind turbine fields. They would also need massive energy storage facilities that could supply the grid load when solar and wind is not producing energy. The massive energy storage facilities large enough to sustain the grid load of a mid to large city currently don't exist.

 

[dodge man]

When I think about solar and wind, I say I’m 51% in favor of it. That means I have a lot of doubt. I’ve tried to find data but never have but what is the energy gain for these installations? By the time you produce, ship, install and maintain these solar and wind farms you obviously expend a lot of fossil fuels. How long before this green energy is actually green?

 

[TN8Man]

When I think about solar and wind, I say I’m 51% in favor of it. That means I have a lot of doubt. I’ve tried to find data but never have but what is the energy gain for these installations? By the time you produce, ship, install and maintain these solar and wind farms you obviously expend a lot of fossil fuels. How long before this green energy is actually green?

The renewable energy industry does not talk about the down side of their products. I thought the article below was pretty informative.

Renewable Energy Paradox: Solar Panels and Their Toxic Waste​

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Imagine all you want....

IF you want your view to remain the same....BUY THE LAND.

This is the fundamental mentality difference between the two sides to this issue....

Some people buy land and expect that the view beyond their boundaries will never change. Others accept the fact that they have no control on what happens beyond their own land.

Would a superimposed Walmart or amazon distribution center make the view any better? Or what about a chicken farm?

Ok...I'll buy 100,000 acres including those mountains. Every realtor here when advertising house/land for sale the ad says "mountain views" not "solar farm" views.
We won against tall cell towers and as one supervisor so aptly stated "we only have one landscape" which is why we have permits and ordinances.
To me there's a direct correlation between real estate taxes and values and location.
Years ago a fellow a mile away started collecting junk cars parked outside. It all starts with one, soon there were 20. The county made him install a fence.
Same with these solar panels. If hidden enclosed in a berm with trees around that's not so bad. It's ludicrous to suggest to protect the land and views simply purchase it.

 

[ericm979]

When I think about solar and wind, I say I’m 51% in favor of it. That means I have a lot of doubt. I’ve tried to find data but never have but what is the energy gain for these installations? By the time you produce, ship, install and maintain these solar and wind farms you obviously expend a lot of fossil fuels.

The same is true of coal, oil and gas. They all take energy to mine, process and transport. All of those steps are prone to accidents which can create a lot of pollution. Some of them leave a lot of ruined land.

Somehow that gets forgotten.

 

[orezok]

The renewable energy industry does not talk about the down side of their products. I thought the article below was pretty informative.

Renewable Energy Paradox: Solar Panels and Their Toxic Waste​

And fossils fuel power plants produce “Toxic Waste” 24/7/365. Gee, they never seem to mention that.

 

[turbo36]

Which state or city run's 100% on solar and/or wind energy?

The problem with solar energy is it only works with unobstructed sunlight. They don't produce much electricity on cloudy days or overcast. The government is moving forward with geoengineering solar radiation management (SRM) which purposely creates solar dimming resulting in less sunlight on earth to combat global warming. This does impact the ability for solar panels to produce electricity.

Wind turbines only work when there is enough wind to rotate the blades fast enough to produce electricity.

For a state or city to run 100% renewable energy they would need massive solar panel fields, much more than what currently exists and/or massive wind turbine fields. They would also need massive energy storage facilities that could supply the grid load when solar and wind is not producing energy. The massive energy storage facilities large enough to sustain the grid load of a mid to large city currently don't exist.

The same is true of coal, oil and gas. They all take energy to mine, process and transport. All of those steps are prone to accidents which can create a lot of pollution. Some of them leave a lot of ruined land.

Somehow that gets forgotten.

Mr. Peabody’s coal train done hauled it away!​

 

[TN8Man]

And fossils fuel power plants produce “Toxic Waste” 24/7/365. Gee, they never seem to mention that.

True but no one has been trying to push fossil fuel power plants or nuclear as green energy and they both do produce enough energy to supply our nations power grid, transportation infrastructure and heat our homes.

 

[turbo36]

True but no one has been trying to push fossil fuel power plants or nuclear as green energy and they both do produce enough energy to supply our nations power grid, transportation infrastructure and heat our homes.

Well, now this is not a true statement at all. There are multiple coal and nuclear lobbyists, all pushing for coal powered and nuclear powered plants. Why is it surprising that we also have green energy lobbyist?

Just a couple.

How Manchin used politics to protect his family coal company

Selling scrap coal has earned Sen. Joe Manchin millions of dollars over three decades, and he has used his political positions to protect the fuel from laws and regulations that threaten his family's business.

www.politico.com

Home

Our top clean energy source is nuclear power. Available 24/7, nuclear supports our climate goals, national security and leadership in innovation.

www.nei.org

 

[TN8Man]

Well, now this is not a true statement at all. There are multiple coal and nuclear lobbyists, all pushing for coal powered and nuclear powered plants. Why is it surprising that we also have green energy lobbyist?

Just a couple.

How Manchin used politics to protect his family coal company

Selling scrap coal has earned Sen. Joe Manchin millions of dollars over three decades, and he has used his political positions to protect the fuel from laws and regulations that threaten his family's business.

www.politico.com

Home

Our top clean energy source is nuclear power. Available 24/7, nuclear supports our climate goals, national security and leadership in innovation.

www.nei.org

I said no one has been trying to push fossil fuel power plants or nuclear as green energy not clean energy. Green energy is a relatively new buzzword used to push solar and wind energy.

 

[turbo36]

I said no one has been trying to push fossil fuel power plants or nuclear as green energy not clean energy. Green energy is a relatively new buzzword used to push solar and wind energy.

So what is the difference between clean and green energy? I'm confused by your statements.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Always wondered about the output with a foot of snow on top of them?

 

[Rockbadchild]

nuclear is pretty clean if you take account energy produce vs waste created ... fossile fuel power plant are not as bad as they where with all the scrubbers they have now days ... In New York now they burn some of the garbage which produce electricity and produce less pollution then burring it (with the scrubbers) or dumping it in the ocean...

There is a truth to the lack of consistency of solar and wind turbine in reality they can't be sustainable on themself unless you are ready to accept regular blackout, they can only be part of 10 to 20% of the overall system if not well you can ask Germany, they have fired up they coal plant regularly when cloudy and windless days emerge.

Common Sense Revisited: Coal-Fired Power Saving Germany From Calm-Weather Blackouts

 

[TN8Man]

So what is the difference between clean and green energy? I'm confused by your statements.

There are many interpretations of each type and sometimes people use them interchangeably but generally clean energy is energy that does not pollute the atmosphere like for example nuclear energy or water driven turbine.

Green energy is a type of energy generated from natural resources, such as sunlight, wind or water.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Green energy is a type of energy generated from natural resources, such as sunlight, wind or water.

So that would include oil & coal.

 

[MossRoad]

I've mentioned before that an 1100 acre solar farm is going in west of us. It's on some great farmland. With that said, here's some pros for this solar farm:

- the families that own the land are leasing it to a solar company, so the farmers are retaining the ownership of THEIR land.
- That land usually brings in about $80K in taxes annually.
- The solar farm will bring in $2.7M in taxes annually at first, and will bring in $30million over 30 years. So $2.4 million AG over 30 years VS $30 million SOLAR over 30 years in taxes.
- The land will be idle during that 30 year term, so it will rebuild VS being worked.
- No chemical applications.
- No fertilizer applications.
- No water usage (it's currently irrigated with center pivot).
- It will be planted with native grasses and pollinator crops under the panels, so it will be used for honey production.
- Sheep are another possibility under the panels.
- The plants will stabilize the soil, so no wind or rain or erosion.
- There will be 200 construction jobs.
- There will be 3-5 permanent jobs created.
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College.
- It won't require any new public support, as no roads, water, sewer, or extra police or fire services will be needed.
- After 30 years, the panels can be removed or replaced. If they are removed, the land will be well-rested, and can go back in to crop production. If they are replaced, the process starts over again, more than likely with better solar panels than before.

Anyhow, just some interesting reading. The families that own the land are the ones driving the bus, using THEIR LAND for THEIR BUSINESS.

Honeysuckle solar project in Indiana | Lightsource bp USA

Learn more about Lightsource bp's Honeysuckle Solar farm project in St. Joseph County, Indiana.

lightsourcebp.com

 

[TN8Man]

So that would include oil & coal.

Yes, oil and coal are a earth natural resource but the green energy promoters usually won't tell you that. It doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[mikester]

This is the view from my back porch. Imagine if it became the second picture?View attachment 794117View attachment 794118

What's the number one crop in North America? Lawn grass.

The top picture looks more like a parody of the "english country estate" dream and a complete waste of valuable farm land. I'd rather see protests against people mowing acres of lawn on their mini country estates.

Farming is a commercial operation. Solar farms are commercial. Mowing lawns simply for creating parkland vistas isn't.

 

[riptides]

I've mentioned before that an 1100 acre solar farm is going in west of us. It's on some great farmland. With that said, here's some pros for this solar farm:

- the families that own the land are leasing it to a solar company, so the farmers are retaining the ownership of THEIR land.
- That land usually brings in about $80K in taxes annually.
- The solar farm will bring in $2.7M in taxes annually at first, and will bring in $30million over 30 years. So $2.4 million AG over 30 years VS $30 million SOLAR over 30 years in taxes.
- The land will be idle during that 30 year term, so it will rebuild VS being worked.
- No chemical applications.
- No fertilizer applications.
- No water usage (it's currently irrigated with center pivot).
- It will be planted with native grasses and pollinator crops under the panels, so it will be used for honey production.
- Sheep are another possibility under the panels.
- The plants will stabilize the soil, so no wind or rain or erosion.
- There will be 200 construction jobs.
- There will be 3-5 permanent jobs created.
- There will be an educational opportunity for local schools, K through College.
- It won't require any new public support, as no roads, water, sewer, or extra police or fire services will be needed.
- After 30 years, the panels can be removed or replaced. If they are removed, the land will be well-rested, and can go back in to crop production. If they are replaced, the process starts over again, more than likely with better solar panels than before.

Anyhow, just some interesting reading. The families that own the land are the ones driving the bus, using THEIR LAND for THEIR BUSINESS.

Honeysuckle solar project in Indiana | Lightsource bp USA

Learn more about Lightsource bp's Honeysuckle Solar farm project in St. Joseph County, Indiana.

lightsourcebp.com

How are the getting the power into the "system" will new lines and a substation have to be built?

That's the biggest issue we face here. The integration points for the farms traverse other people properties and well....120 foot tandem towers are not pretty sitting a few hundred feet from a house.