Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[Mtsoxfan]

You'd think the price of silver would be climbing higher than it is.

 

[dodge man]

I heard solar farms kill bald eagles. They see their reflection in the panel and swoop down to attack the other eagle and die when they hit the panel. This cracks the panel and releases toxic gases which kill other animals.

I totally made the above statement up but it’s about as accurate as some of the other statements in this thread. There are reasons to object to solar farms but some of the stuff in this thread is a little out there.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

You'd think the price of silver would be climbing higher than it is.

If you do the math on the amount of Giga watts of solar panels needed as a replacement for fossil fuels you would quickly see that we are not going to get there. Fossil fuels are needed to sustain life as we now know it.
Well, unless the population of the world is decreased somehow? As in the UN resolution called Agenda 21 and now Agenda 2030.
Some shot that has been defined as not a drug and not a vazzine ring a bell or two.

 

[jyoutz]

If you do the math on the amount of Giga watts of solar panels needed as a replacement for fossil fuels you would quickly see that we are not going to get there. Fossil fuels are needed to sustain life as we now know it.
Well, unless the population of the world is decreased somehow? As in the UN resolution called Agenda 21 and now Agenda 2030.
Some shot that has been defined as not a drug and not a vaccine ring a bell or two.

Renewables will not replace fossil fuels anytime soon, however they can be a significant source of power. In my state, renewables currently produce 32% of electricity and natural gas the rest. Within 5 years, renewables are projected to produce about 45% at the rate that new capacity is being added.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

In this thread, or all threads I've contributed to concerning solar, I've never stated solar would replace fossil fuels as an energy source for all. I have stated that I was tired of paying for electricity that others produce, leaving them in control of how much I pay. I went solar because it put me in control. I did recieve a subsity to purchase, but even without it, I was eventually paying it off and making/saving money on electricity. Anyone would be stupid to not accept a subsity no strings attached. All the negative nellies on here saying without subsities, that solar doesn't make sense, are wrong when it come to indiviually owned systems like I had. Without subsities, it would have been paid off in savings in about 12 years. Then, all free electricity, except for the $20 or so monthly service charge for Eversource to "bank" my excess power and send it back to me when I needed it. I am not an abnomally in this. I've NEVER heard of a case where someone owns their system losing money.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

In this thread, or all threads I've contributed to concerning solar, I've never stated solar would replace fossil fuels as an energy source for all. I have stated that I was tired of paying for electricity that others produce, leaving them in control of how much I pay. I went solar because it put me in control. I did recieve a subsity to purchase, but even without it, I was eventually paying it off and making/saving money on electricity. Anyone would be stupid to not accept a subsity no strings attached. All the negative nellies on here saying without subsities, that solar doesn't make sense, are wrong when it come to indiviually owned systems like I had. Without subsities, it would have been paid off in savings in about 12 years. Then, all free electricity, except for the $20 or so monthly service charge for Eversource to "bank" my excess power and send it back to me when I needed it. I am not an abnomally in this. I've NEVER heard of a case where someone owns their system losing money.

Apologies, I didn't explain my thoughts clearly on the bottleneck of silver and solar in that previous post.

I agree that solar will pay for itself without a subsidy, You are one of the few that I have actually seen state this.
And especially a quicker return on investment if you can DIY, as a little over half the cost is labor in the Pacific Northwest.
Just this year alone my monthly fuel bill would have averaged in the neighborhood of $500.00 a month. Burning 3 to 4 gallons of fuel per day, with the current price of fuel at $4.99/Gallon (low price of this year at the pump). It was $5.89/Gallon for a while.
My system produces 30kwh a day during the summer and about 17kwh during the winter. My pockets would be empty if I continued to use generators with the rising costs of fuel.
If I was grid tied I could also include the rising cost of electricity.

 

[JasperFrank]

I'll be the person that says it wasn't cost effective. But thats because we had a 1 in 100 year ice storm that collapsed my system. I can either go back on grid inter-tie or dedicate it to charging an EV. Back on inter-tie will be expensive. Dedicated to EV charging will not as a stand alone system.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

MAX-24-Dean​

No worries, that wasn't directed at you anyways. I bought silver coins as an investment, couldve sold a little bit ago when spot was around $30. I held off, and still think it will go into mid 30's soon. But coins are tough too. I bought at $17.85 and when spot was around $30, they were selling coins for $42. Forgot what the offer was, but thinking it was $32 an ounce for coins. I passed, but it was tough.

That ice storm must have been a kick in the shorts...

 

[JasperFrank]

Never buy coins. Buy bars.

And yes, I'm still dealing with this ice storm of four years ago. Still discovering things.

 

[JJT]

I heard solar farms kill bald eagles. They see their reflection in the panel and swoop down to attack the other eagle and die when they hit the panel. This cracks the panel and releases toxic gases which kill other animals.

I totally made the above statement up but it’s about as accurate as some of the other statements in this thread. There are reasons to object to solar farms but some of the stuff in this thread is a little out there.

Dodge man, There are no toxic gases inside a solar panel.

I'd like see real evidence of solar panels killing bald eagles.

Yes, wind turbines kill plenty of birds. So does every single house cat that gets outside.

 

[JasperFrank]

We have a huge front window. Birds can't figure it out. They just see sky cause it reflects sky. Now and then I'll hear the "bonk." and check it out. Some do break their necks. Most don't. Windows kill more birds that most anything else. If we don't want the view, we close the shades. This seems to help. Cats will kill every bird around that they can. So, no more cats. My 20 panel Solar never killed anything, but my wallet.

 

[Dftodd]

We have a huge front window. Birds can't figure it out. They just see sky cause it reflects sky. Now and then I'll hear the "bonk." and check it out. Some do break their necks. Most don't. Windows kill more birds that most anything else. If we don't want the view, we close the shades. This seems to help. Cats will kill every bird around that they can. So, no more cats. My 20 panel Solar never killed anything, but my wallet.

Owl Eye stickers seem to do the trick. At least one of my cousins swore by them when he put a set on a really large window he had on his place.

Not sure how well it worked though.

 

[Hay Dude]

Good article.

Copied from article: "Currently there is not enough silver available to build the millions of solar panels which will be required in the the transition from fossil fuels, says Mr Defrenne: "You can see where you have a production bottleneck, it's silver.""

Maybe Greta Tuneberg will confiscate all our silver coins…

 

[Hay Dude]

Dodge man, There are no toxic gases inside a solar panel.

I'd like see real evidence of solar panels killing bald eagles.

Yes, wind turbines kill plenty of birds. So does every single house cat that gets outside.

Its a little easier to control cats from killing common small birds than to stop windmills from killing large predatory or soaring birds, some that have been or are currently endangered.

 

[dodge man]

Dodge man, There are no toxic gases inside a solar panel.

I'd like see real evidence of solar panels killing bald eagles.

Yes, wind turbines kill plenty of birds. So does every single house cat that gets outside.

I guess you missed part of my post, it was meant to be humorous. Hay dude is correct, we have had house cats and they aren’t dragging down bald eagles and other large birds.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

I'll be the person that says it wasn't cost effective. But thats because we had a 1 in 100 year ice storm that collapsed my system. I can either go back on grid inter-tie or dedicate it to charging an EV. Back on inter-tie will be expensive. Dedicated to EV charging will not as a stand alone system.

Sorry to hear that, That would be a real hardship if it happened to me. Something you never plan for, because you never expect it to happen.

I over built my ground mount system to a snow load of 90 pounds per sq. ft. and wind loading to 130mph.
But I worked installing this stuff for part of my work and saw many installations built to minimum code standards have one problem or another.

 

[bmaverick]

Never buy coins. Buy bars.

And yes, I'm still dealing with this ice storm of four years ago. Still discovering things.

Yes, bars or rounds not coins.

US coins can be recalled, bars and rounds canot be so easily recalled.

 

[bmaverick]

Sorry to hear that, That would be a real hardship if it happened to me. Something you never plan for, because you never expect it to happen.

I over built my ground mount system to a snow load of 90 pounds per sq. ft. and wind loading to 130mph.
But I worked installing this stuff for part of my work and saw many installations built to minimum code standards have one problem or another.

Its hard, but not impossible to EMP proof the solar array. If you know what your doing you can save a bundle. If not, even the pros can mess it up.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

People keep saying solar is renewable ?

Is everything used to build the panels and inverters renewable ?

I have no idea, just curious

 

[Mtsoxfan]

If I were to say newnewable, I would meant that the sun is renewable. If that ever goes away, game over for all...