Will UAW Strike?

[5030]

t was at that moment, I decided the entire EV thing was silly. It was giant leap backwards in evolution.

The protracted charging deal will be the factor that breaks the bank on EV's. No one wants to sit for a prolonged amount of time, charging their toaster car that I know of. People today are always in a hurry and always late for a very important date even if it's 99% BS.

The issue of course is, not every EV owner can have a home charging unit, especially urban dwellers and if everyone that has an EV also has a high draw home charger with the marginal condition of the national grid, all those high draw chargers will cause it to fail. Kind of catch 22 and I fail to understand the concentrated push for EV's anyway.

As electricity use increases without the needed infrastructure upgrades, the chance of failure (of the grid increases).

I do believe that automakers in general see the EV thing as a passing fad. Maybe not but I believe so.

 

[Torvy]

Don't necessarily need a special home charger. 220 speeds things up but you can charge from a regular outlet.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Ford pauses work on $3.5 bln battery plant in Michigan

Ford Motor said on Monday it has paused work on a $3.5 billion electric vehicle battery plant in Michigan, citing concerns about its ability to competitively operate the plant at a time when it remains locked in broader contract negotiations.

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This doesn't seem strike related, but a business decision forecasting no EV demand. There also might be a china angle in there too...

They may be coming to the realization that the technology they planned to use at this "new" plant is already old. Announcements are being made weekly that could make liquid batteries obsolete.

 

[Snobdds]

Haven't seen a Tesla supercharging station with less than 8 stations.

So a high tech car that doesn't need combustible fuel is a giant leap backwards in evolution? I've seen videos of gunfights happening a gas stations.

Why are you so hostile toward EV's?

My bad. It was 4 chargers, not three.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I'm relatively a stranger to Toyota but they may be helped by the strike as gas prices climb on OPEC+ actions. The son drove the 2015 Toyota Prius C 900 miles this past weekend to East Tennessee and averaged 45.9 MPG on that hard fast trip. In the world of hybrids Toyota is King. For some reason they are too slow to build new cars and aren't competing with Tesla. In the end I had to give up considering getting a new plug in RAV4 over cost and availability issues because the 2023 Tesla Model Y dual motor long range was available and for less money.

One appeal of Tesla to new car buyers moving to a fixed income status is their lower ongoing cost of ownership.

The UAW knows ICE sales trend line is down while the opposite is true for EVs but they want employment security in a declining industry based solely on its higher cost structure compared to EVs.

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[Snobdds]

I just don't see mass adaption of EV's happening in the transportation world. It just dosen't make sense with todays technology. As long as there is an alternative that is mass adapted and works in todays society (ICE), EV's will need something with a giant technological leap to make the adaptation work.

So either EV's will need either a charging mechanism that will do it in an equal time it takes to fuel a car, or a battery that has such a large capacity, it eliminates the need to always worry about charging every 300 miles, without being so heavy it eliminates the benefits of an EV. If a battery gets too heavy, it cancels out all the benefits.

EV companies know this, the big 3 know this. Why spend all this money on a technology that really dosen't solve any real problems, it's jut investing in a status quo.

EV's are at the inflection point. Everyone that is enamored by them, have them. How do car companies get people like me to totally ditch a sure thing for another sure thing.

 

[Snobdds]

I'm relatively a stranger to Toyota but they may be helped by the strike as gas prices climb on OPEC+ actions. The son drove the 2015 Toyota Prius C 900 miles this past weekend to East Tennessee and averaged 45.9 MPG on that hard fast trip. In the world of hybrids Toyota is King. For some reason they are too slow to build new cars and aren't competing with Tesla. In the end I had to give up considering getting a new plug in RAV4 over cost and availability issues because the 2023 Tesla Model Y dual motor long range was available and for less money.

One appeal of Tesla to new car buyers moving to a fixed income status is their lower ongoing cost of ownership.

The UAW knows ICE sales trend line is down while the opposite is true for EVs but they want employment security in a declining industry based solely on its higher cost structure compared to EVs.

Goldman Sachs Predicts $100 Oil As Renewable Transition Falters | OilPrice.com

The push for a rapid transition away from hydrocarbons is causing unintended negative consequences, including rising oil prices and challenges in the renewable energy sector.

oilprice.com

Gale

Gas prices have zero impact on long term viability because everyone knows, prices go up and down. People even know prices change due to seasonality circumstances. They know gas is a sunk cost and it's just a cost of ownership. Just like cost of electricity is a sunk cost to EV owners, what ever the cost is, it has to be paid.

I also think long term used car prices for EV will be trash. Most buyers of used cars are of the lower income demographic. They will not demand used EV's due to used up batteries and the cost to put in charging stations. Watch, the long term used car EV market will be lower than the used car market for ICE. A lower income person with see an ICE as much better financial sense than a used EV.

There are tons of head winds facing the EV. If we don't see a drastic technical breakthrough in battery tech...EV's are a dead man walking.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

My bad. It was 4 chargers, not three.

Thanks for clearing up it wasn't a Supercharger location. That Tesla is using an adapter that that permits the use of non Tesla charging stations. That driver should have pulled to the last plug if they were going to park incorrectly. Backing in correctly could solved what you mentioned.

 

[Snobdds]

Thanks for clearing up it wasn't a Supercharger location. That Tesla is using an adapter that that permits the use of non Tesla charging stations. That driver should have pulled to the last plug if they were going to park incorrectly. Backing in correctly could solved what you mentioned.

There is only one plug per charger. The other charger is for the other side.

He looks correct to me.

Another angle

 

[Snobdds]

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Like I said...EV's need a technological breakthrough to fix their inheretnt problems.