Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445

   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445
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I started out with the smallest Power Trac they make, the PT018 to do brush cutting in an area that has a tremendous amount of rocks and ledge. I tried every brand of tractor I could find and the Power Trac was the only one that hit most of the correct requirements. Most importantly front attachment (HD mower) on a loader {not a 3pt hitch like Antonio Carraro, or a <2' lift on a Steiner or Ventrac}, 4x4, power steering, good ground clearance or impervious to underside damage, and agile. The 018 was near perfect, so much so that I tried the 1430 as I wanted a larger size and the diesel. It worked so well I looked into the 1445 and 1460 and ended up with the 1460. The hill climbing is good. I do wish it could lock out the differential action hydraulically like my Moffett 3-wheel fork lift. It could be added, since it is just hyd valves. I think it would make it a birds nest of entangled hoses, so I haven't done it.
On a steep climb with loose ground, you will get wheel spin, especially from the front wheels. However (the diesel (1430 up) PTs have a draft feature that proportionally directs oil to the lift cylinders as wheel torque is increased, adding more weight to the front tires.
The negative of the somewhat reduced traction of the PT (when compared to a 4x4 conventional tractor) is more then offset by the best stability I have experienced! Not to get too complicated, but conventional tractors are stabilized by the rear axle/tires only, not the front. Remember the front axle on a conv tractor is a pivot point and does not assist in keeping the tractor upright until one rear wheel is up in the air with the tractor leaning over-contacting the stops on the front axle. The PT along with being lower profile, has a different type of pivot at the center articulation joint. This works better as the front tires are rigidly attached to the complete front half of the tractor (with loader arms) and when you overload a PT, and the rear lifts in the air, that is when the rear portion will tilt over (like a conventional tractor only reversed). On the conventionally tractor with the loader raised and overloaded with one rear tire elevated, it now tilts the loader off to the side potentially outside of the tread width compounding your chances of rolling the tractor. As explained, the PT is ridge to the front wheels and holding the same angle as the ground, only the rear tilts.
I don't know how much "seat time" you have had on tractors, but if enough to compare, you will love the stability of the PT.
I used my 1430 more then any other tractor period. I have some attachments that I interchange with the 1460 and just for reasons of economy, if the 1430 will do the job, I use it instead of the 1460 (it is a cost per hour of operation consideration for me).
Sorry to be long winded, but as you could probably guess, I would recommend the PT over anything else available. Then figure the size you need, and the features that come with it. 425-no draft and pretty small tractor, 1430-has manual 2-wheel park/emergency brake, 1445+ diesel durability.
Now you have me wondering how the PT design fares in hillside stability comparison to a compact track loader like a Kubota SVL-97 when used with a front rotary cutter? The Kubota is outside of my budget to buy, but can be rented for $1850 a week plus delivery. However, I'm not too keen on renting $100k of equipment that could turn over or loose a track on a hillside. What are your thoughts on how a PT fares in comparison?
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445 #32  
Tracks don't do well on side slopes, and most tracked units have pretty limited slope ratings, but check the details. Check YouTube for what it is like to get a track back on if you are curious.

AST used to have the best slope rating when I last checked which admittedly was a few years ago, but it wasn't up to a Power-Trac, and IIRC, it was for a fore/aft slope, not a cross slope. (Due to center of gravity and track loss issues, I would guess)

All the best, Peter
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445
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Well, that's the nice thing about the automatic brake on the 1445!

I would echo @m5040's comments on stability. The center articulation keeps all 4 wheels on the ground almost all the time. When you pick up something too heavy, a rear wheel or two will lift, (and the front load will droop), but the rear end is connected solidly to the heavy front half by two hydraulic cylinders and the knuckle joint. It feels more like a polite "gosh that wasn't what I intended", rather than a "OMG, HELP!! I'm going to die."

Perhaps you can find someone to dog sit for a bit? Or bring your senior along for the ride?

Good luck,

Peter
Ha.

My dog is so frail at this point that it takes a lot out of her just to go to the vet's office.

One of the most valuable sources of information is to ask PT owners about their experience with these machines. Going in prepared with a better understanding would probably make for a better visit to the factory. Plus, having this discussion may help someone else down the road who might be considering whether to buy a PT.
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445
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Tracks don't do well on side slopes, and most tracked units have pretty limited slope ratings, but check the details. Check YouTube for what it is like to get a track back on if you are curious.

AST used to have the best slope rating when I last checked which admittedly was a few years ago, but it wasn't up to a Power-Trac, and IIRC, it was for a fore/aft slope, not a cross slope. (Due to center of gravity and track loss issues, I would guess)

All the best, Peter

I suspect the problem with tracks is having cleats running in the same direction as the slope so the pads are essentially free to slide down the slope?

Jacking up a very heavy compact track loader to put a track back on while on the side of a hill could be quite dangerous.

One thing that happens here in the early Spring is the ground becomes saturated with moisture. The top layer of turf will sometimes shear away from the soil underneath causing tractor tires to slide down a slope even when the brakes have been applied.
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445 #35  
I suspect the problem with tracks is having cleats running in the same direction as the slope so the pads are essentially free to slide down the slope?

Jacking up a very heavy compact track loader to put a track back on while on the side of a hill could be quite dangerous.

One thing that happens here in the early Spring is the ground becomes saturated with moisture. The top layer of turf will sometimes shear away from the soil underneath causing tractor tires to slide down a slope even when the brakes have been applied.
With tracks, it is more that the uphill/downhill force across the track pushes it off the bogies and drive wheels leading to no motion and a unit stuck on a hillside.

I stay off my slopes when it is wet. My clay soil is so slippery that is like trying to walk across a sheet of ice with 20 degree slope. I almost always wipe out when I try on foot.

The Swiss and Austrians use/make machines/wheels to deal with really steep slopes and lack of soil / grass integrity. The wheels and machines look like they came out of a "MadMax" movie, with 4-6" metal spikes coming out of metal rims. As a result they can hay 40-60 degree slopes. Unbelievable to watch.
(Most of the farmers that I have seen doing this do not use a helicopter!)

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445
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I had seen some of these walk behind mowers before, but that's extreme.

I've seen a couple of different people who say that the farmers in the Alps don't have any brush because they need every part of their land producing hay to feed their animals during the winter.
 
   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445 #37  
The farming is pretty intensive, and has been intensive for thousands of years....
 
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   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445 #39  
I want to know where are all the rocks????!!!!
 

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   / Hillside brush cutting power and stability 425/1430/1445 #40  
I want to know where are all the rocks????!!!!
Well if your family farmed the same spot for five or six hundred years it gives you lots of time to pick them and move them to build foundations and roads... You are clearly making a great start on yours!
 

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