MF 135 Perkins Gas 3 Cylinder Backfiring no Power

[CliffordK]

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Although, they have a barn full of engines that LEAKS. However, you may get stuff that can be rebuilt.

There have to be other companies across the USA that strip old tractors too.

As far as your tractor, at some point there may be a benefit of puling the engine, and at least removing the oil pan. You will want to get all the little pieces of metal out of the engine.

 

[pmsmechanic]

That is an interesting point to make. At this point I have spent about $500 so far on parts... so a distributor less ignition system might be worth it. Are you finding viable options you can share?

Thanks!

I looked for about half an hour and then figured that since I didn't know how how interested you would be, I was maybe just wasting my time.

As for viable options there wasn't much. Nobody mentioned 3 cylinder engines so lets hope you know how to McGiver things. The easiest would be a 6 cylinder waste spark system since you then don't need a cam position sensor. You'll need a crank position sensor and a pickup. Feed that into a computer that tells the coils when to fire. I can make it sound simple but the scope of what's involved is beyond me. I could do the mechanical parts but any issues with the electronics and I don't know what I'm doing.

 

[masseyrider]

The 135 with the 4 cylinder diesel and the gas 3 cylinder never did run great. The Continental gas 4 was a decent engine and the Perkins 3 was very good. An older tractor like yours might need other engine work. Sell it off for parts and find a good used tractor with fewer hours on the clock. Look at my handle, but I would say I like the Ford 3000s of that era better even if they are tough on batteries.

 

[slhilbert]

I looked for about half an hour and then figured that since I didn't know how how interested you would be, I was maybe just wasting my time.

As for viable options there wasn't much. Nobody mentioned 3 cylinder engines so lets hope you know how to McGiver things. The easiest would be a 6 cylinder waste spark system since you then don't need a cam position sensor. You'll need a crank position sensor and a pickup. Feed that into a computer that tells the coils when to fire. I can make it sound simple but the scope of what's involved is beyond me. I could do the mechanical parts but any issues with the electronics and I don't know what I'm doing.

Yikes... that is beyond what I want to bite off right now... but... time will tell... I often bite off more than I want. I appreciate you spending so much time looking for it.

 

[slhilbert]

The 135 with the 4 cylinder diesel and the gas 3 cylinder never did run great. The Continental gas 4 was a decent engine and the Perkins 3 was very good. An older tractor like yours might need other engine work. Sell it off for parts and find a good used tractor with fewer hours on the clock. Look at my handle, but I would say I like the Ford 3000s of that era better even if they are tough on batter

I am starting to be of the same mind. Hoping to get this thing running again and sell it and pick something else us that has common parts on it.

 

[slhilbert]

I had some time today and I almost have the front cover off the engine. I got a bit gun shy and since I have to take my son to a meeting to get his Eagle Scout project approved I decided to call it a day.

Looking for a bit of advice if I need to remove the pully off the front and if so, how? And best way to gently remove the front cover without daminging it.

See the latest video up.

Thanks!
Stuart

 

[ScipioUSA]

I had some time today and I almost have the front cover off the engine. I got a bit gun shy and since I have to take my son to a meeting to get his Eagle Scout project approved I decided to call it a day.

Looking for a bit of advice if I need to remove the pully off the front and if so, how? And best way to gently remove the front cover without daminging it.

See the latest video up.

Thanks!
Stuart

So you do have to remove that pulley to get the timing cover off. There should be a big honkin' nut in the middle of it, and having an impact to bump it off is pretty helpful. Once the nut is out, you should be able to persuade that pulley to come off.

The cover is alloy I believe, so you might need to try and find the seam, then get a putty knife or something and tap it in around the edge to start to separate it from the block gently. Once all the bolts are out, its just the sealant that should be holding it on.

One thing I would really suggest is that before you take anything else off, you try to use an air compressor or some brake cleaner and clean up around the timing cover/distributor housing. When this all goes back together, it needs to have a clean surface for the gasket goo to adhere to, and its a lot easier to get all the dirt and crud off while things are still sealed up. If you try after you have it open, you risk getting a lot of nasty stuff into your engine where you might create more problems.

Ill try to get some scans for you soon from my manual to see if they can help.

 

[Dman1981]

Check your money supply and look into a ad3.152 Perkins engine
Same stuff, less stuff to fix
Keep fuel fresh run forever
All the bolt holes the same made many change overs for dairymen.
Back when parts were cheap
Plus the diesel parts are everywhere
Good luck

 

[MTGreen]

I looked for about half an hour and then figured that since I didn't know how how interested you would be, I was maybe just wasting my time.

As for viable options there wasn't much. Nobody mentioned 3 cylinder engines so lets hope you know how to McGiver things. The easiest would be a 6 cylinder waste spark system since you then don't need a cam position sensor. You'll need a crank position sensor and a pickup. Feed that into a computer that tells the coils when to fire. I can make it sound simple but the scope of what's involved is beyond me. I could do the mechanical parts but any issues with the electronics and I don't know what I'm doing.

Electromotive has some but they ain't cheap:

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[ScipioUSA]

I had some time today and I almost have the front cover off the engine. I got a bit gun shy and since I have to take my son to a meeting to get his Eagle Scout project approved I decided to call it a day.

Looking for a bit of advice if I need to remove the pully off the front and if so, how? And best way to gently remove the front cover without daminging it.

See the latest video up.

Thanks!
Stuart

I tried to scan the relevant pages from my manual, but had to use my chromebook camera. Sorry the quality isnt great, but working on getting out the door for the holiday so had to do it on the quick without getting good lighting setup or anything. Take a look, and if you need any better quality pictures of the pictures, I can snap a few with my phone camera and upload them here, as long as you can let me know soon-ish. Otherwise, I can get them for you next week.

 

[slhilbert]

Thanks so much for all the help since my last update. Certainly used the scans and info to get the distributor shaft out. QUITE THE ADVENTURE for me personally. The shaft is now out. I don't see any other damage in the timing gears. Now I just need to find a replacement for the distributor shaft. Part # 737055M1. I have a local tractor shop looking and have a lead on another shop that might be able to help that I will call after the break. Also going to talk to a machinist to see if they could fabricate it, or possibly just fix the gears? Is fixing the gear a good idea?

Checkout the latest video to see the details

Happy Thanksgiving!
Stuart

 

[ultrarunner]

Good Luck on you quest...

Anything can be made but finding one would be the ticket if possible...

I'm still curious why it failed... could the distributor shaft have been seized/frozen?

 

[MTGreen]

Finding a machinist with a gear hobbing machine or having one set up with a dividing head to cut one is probably going to be much more expensive than finding a used part

 

[ScipioUSA]

Thanks so much for all the help since my last update. Certainly used the scans and info to get the distributor shaft out. QUITE THE ADVENTURE for me personally. The shaft is now out. I don't see any other damage in the timing gears. Now I just need to find a replacement for the distributor shaft. Part # 737055M1. I have a local tractor shop looking and have a lead on another shop that might be able to help that I will call after the break. Also going to talk to a machinist to see if they could fabricate it, or possibly just fix the gears? Is fixing the gear a good idea?

Checkout the latest video to see the details

Happy Thanksgiving!
Stuart

Any luck finding the part?

I usually try Wengers out of Meyerstown, PA, or MacFaddens in NY. You can also give Cook Tractor in IL a shot, they have a lot of used parts and might be able to help you find one.

 

[slhilbert]

Any luck finding the part?

I usually try Wengers out of Meyerstown, PA, or MacFaddens in NY. You can also give Cook Tractor in IL a shot, they have a lot of used parts and might be able to help you find one.

I have had zero luck so far in finding the part. I spent an entire day reaching out to various shops, but I just reached out to shops you have mentioned, so thank you! Hopefully one of them have come through.

Stuart

 

[slhilbert]

Good Luck on you quest...

Anything can be made but finding one would be the ticket if possible...

I'm still curious why it failed... could the distributor shaft have been seized/frozen?

The shaft that comes directly off the distributor broke, I am pretty sure that caused the issue.

 

[slhilbert]

Send a note to Farmland Tractor. They may have used parts for your tractor.

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Farmland Tractor brings you a huge selection of new aftermarket, used, and remanufactured farm tractor parts for sale. This is a one stop shop for all your aftermarket tractor parts. Shop now!

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Although, they have a barn full of engines that LEAKS. However, you may get stuff that can be rebuilt.

There have to be other companies across the USA that strip old tractors too.

As far as your tractor, at some point there may be a benefit of puling the engine, and at least removing the oil pan. You will want to get all the little pieces of metal out of the engine.

Sent them a message. Fingers crossed!

 

[slhilbert]

Check your money supply and look into a ad3.152 Perkins engine
Same stuff, less stuff to fix
Keep fuel fresh run forever
All the bolt holes the same made many change overs for dairymen.
Back when parts were cheap
Plus the diesel parts are everywhere
Good luck

I have looked into this option, but not finding a lot of options on this front either. Do you have source you recommend?

 

[Dman1981]

Massey Ferguson 135 Gas 3 cylinder Perkins Governor Gear #31164592 OEM Used | eBay

Massey Ferguson 135 Gas 3 cylinder Perkins Governor Gear #31164592 Stamped #31164592 50 Teeth OEM Used.

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Let me know if this comes threw
For you is on ebay
I can check a guy I know for the engine
Let me know what kind of $$ you can afford

 

[slhilbert]

Massey Ferguson 135 Gas 3 cylinder Perkins Governor Gear #31164592 OEM Used | eBay

Massey Ferguson 135 Gas 3 cylinder Perkins Governor Gear #31164592 Stamped #31164592 50 Teeth OEM Used.

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Let me know if this comes threw
For you is on ebay
I can check a guy I know for the engine
Let me know what kind of $$ you can afford

I can see the ebay listing. That isn't the part I am looking for though. I am looking for the shaft that goes through the governor gear. Part #737055M1