Maybe a new truck Ford or Dodge?

[700R]

Yes and no. I think it's largely a styling exercise.

For example, my little 1500 puts out more power (on paper) than my 3500 Cummins does, and it has a relatively small grille.

Then again, it doesn't have an intercooler, just a charge air cooler.

Your 1500 isn’t rated to tow 20k+ on a near 100% duty cycle.

It’s why you don’t see little turbo gas engines in 3/4-ton and up trucks like you do the 1/2-tons either. Duty cycle would kill them.

 

[jyoutz]

Whatever it is, it's not worth the money you'll have to pay for it. I don't understand how any vehicle builder can justify the cost of a new anything.... and FYI, Stellantis is bout to lay off 1500 at their North Toledo Jeep plant come February. I suspect it's because no one is buying them (probably cannot afford the payment). I suspect that Fords and GM will follow suit as well.

In my area, about 1 in five vehicles are Jeeps. They are very popular and hold a high resale value.

 

[Tomtint]

In my area, about 1 in five vehicles are Jeeps. They are very popular and hold a high resale value.

We have a couple Jeeps.. I have a 85 near mint CJ7 that's a sunny Sunday bring to car shows Jeep. And my wife has a 2022 392 Wrangler that's as much fun as a 911 to drive.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yes and no. I think it's largely a styling exercise.

For example, my little 1500 puts out more power (on paper) than my 3500 Cummins does, and it has a relatively small grille.

Then again, it doesn't have an intercooler, just a charge air cooler.

But we all know the Cummins is designed to make max power/output for a much longer period of time and has a longer duty cycle. a 350HP gas engine ain’t gonna outwork a 300HP diesel. Intercoolers, transmission coolers on Allison/Aisins, EGR coolers are all found on serious work diesels and need more radiator grill space for airflow.
That 3500 Cummins was designed specifically to make full power for much longer periods of time and it needs extensive air cooling to do so.

 

[5030]

In my area, about 1 in five vehicles are Jeeps. They are very popular and hold a high resale value.

How about a high INFLATED resale value?

 

[jyoutz]

How about a high INFLATED resale value?

Value is what people will pay.

 

[5030]

Value is what people will pay.

Fair statement. I won't give you (or anyone else) a corroded penny for a Jeep. Had one years ago, never again.

 

[sea2summit]

Okay, I'm getting an allergic reaction to these excessive mentions of "truck". Could we please refer to pickups as pickups and save "truck" for actual trucks?

By the way, this has been festering for over two decades, when a neighbor called his S10 Blazer a "truck". And full disclosure: To me a 1500 is a car with a bed on the back.

What truck do you have?

 

[jyoutz]

Fair statement. I won't give you (or anyone else) a corroded penny for a Jeep. Had one years ago, never again.

They have changed a bit in the past 30 years.

 

[5030]

They have changed a bit in the past 30 years.

Not really. Still short wheel based and horrible in a crosswind on the e-way. Remember, I live close enough to the Jeep plant to observe regularly. Only thing I can see that really changed was going from a solid axle in the front to IFS and of course the ever increasing price.