Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far...

   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #41  
Back in the early 90's, cordless drills started showing up more and more. I started out with a 12 volt Craftsman that weighed a ton, ran our of power fairly quickly, and wasn't very powerful. Overall, it was a piece of junk, but it had it's uses. At that time, there was no way that I would ever consider buying anything else cordless.

Now, it's pretty much all I use.

I don't think the modern battery powered car or tractor is worth what it costs to buy them. In my opinion, they are all just like that drill from the 1990's. I think that Government needs to step aside and let technology improve based on the reward of being able to sell a product that people want to buy. As long as Government is involved, we will be forced to buy what the politicians want us to have, not what we want.

I'm going to install a pair of 220 volt, 50 amp outlets in my garage that will just sit there. I'm not sure if I ever want to use the, of if I'll be happy that they are there. It just seems to me that it's cheaper to do it now while my walls are open studs and I have plenty of access.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #43  
That's what I'm thinking. I want enough power for my arc welder, so why not add a few more lines for a battery powered vehicle?
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #45  
That's what I'm thinking. I want enough power for my arc welder, so why not add a few more lines for a battery powered vehicle?
Always good to plan ahead. I actually have 300+ amp service in the shop and I have loaded it at 250 amps many times. I had out electric company (DTE) install a pole and put a meter and breakuot box on that and had my certified electrician do the wiring with a 300 amp (3 phase main breaker box in the shop with all the required grounds (I think a bonded as well as a neutral and safety ground)(I'm not an electrical savvy person), all I did was buy him the cable and drive a substantial copper clad ground rod next to the pole barn wall) for him to use and the cable from the pole mounted box is quite substantial as in thick and was expensive even back then.

He wired up not only the 3 phase for my 3 phase lathes and milling machines but the single phase for everything else (welders and surface grinders) with conveniently placed outlets and sub boxes on each with 30 amp breakers installed (on the 3 phase and single phase outlets). Again, I'm totally ignorant about electricity. He also hard wired our diesel standby genset to the house (standby sits next to the shop, plumbed into my 500 gallon diesel tank, I did that, I'm okay with plumbing sort of, electricity no and installed the transfer switching and sub breaker panel which was supplied by the standby generator manufacturer (Generac) inside the house and wired up indicator lights mounted on the edge of the shop facing towards the house so I can see if the generator is working properly as it's far enough away that I cannot hear it (exercise) anyway.

I believe the newer models of the Generac standby generators (both gas and diesel powered now come with built in indicator lights that depict proper operation, but I could be wrong.

One thing I wasn't aware of when I bought mine many years ago was the eventual corrosion of the painted steel enclosure but Generac was good enough to actually build me a totally aluminum, powder coated enclosure complete with all the necessary spot welded in mounting studs and supplied me with all the internal mounting hardware as well as some very complete instructions as to how to remove the guts from the old rusted enclosure and install everything in the new aluminum enclosure.

It wasn't cheap and I had to wait 4 months to get it, but I found it quite amazing they even considered it, in as much as the unit I own is NLA. Kudo's to Generac in Wisconsin.

Now corrosion is a thing of the past other than the never used diesel tank which provides a base for the engine and generator itself which I sanded and repainted with anti rust coating.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #46  
Per chance you aren't related to Dave and Pam Hardy in Ionia, Michigan? They own and operate a mega-diary farm and are good friends of ours. If you are you are ok in my book as Dave and Pam are very upstanding people.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far...
  • Thread Starter
#47  
Per chance you aren't related to Dave and Pam Hardy in Ionia, Michigan? They own and operate a mega-diary farm and are good friends of ours. If you are you are ok in my book as Dave and Pam are very upstanding people.
Unfortunately not to my knowledge, but I do have an aunt Pam in Missouri... :) Many of the Hardy's are spread around the midwest but I don't necessarily have a grasp on the extended roots of our tree, so there is a possiblity but not one I can confirm... I will say however, all the Hardy's I know are good hard working folks, so hopefully I can stand in the good company of Dave and Pam Hardy! :)
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #48  
I find the strong distaste for this technology fascinating... the term luddite comes to mind... sadly this is also so embroiled in politics that it just muddies the water.

Luddite: people who dislike new technology


Luddite? It doesn't have a very flattering ring to it . . .

I think you may be missing the point of some of the concerns and push-back from those that question the overall efficiency of this application. It's not derived from "distaste" of the technology.

This "climate change" calamity is the all-time biggest scam ever foisted on the public. Whether it's true or not, the proposed solutions are simply not feasible from an engineering standpoint. We don't have the electric generation capacity to start adding whole new segments to the current grid. We have societal/environmental pressures to transition HVAC, water heating, cooking, air transportation, cars, trucks, over-the-road semi trucks, . . . from fossil fuels to electricity.

(And if you watch the news at all, you can see that we're losing capacity and in danger of curtailments and rolling blackouts this winter.)

Yet the electricity still has to be generated using RELIABLE sources such as coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc. The transition simply moves the location of the carbon emissions -- it doesn't eliminate it.

This "electric" tractor actually runs on coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc. and less than 2% wind and solar (even after 30 plus years of subsidies).

I question the APPLICATION of the technology. I don't dislike it. "The right tool for the right job" doesn't equate to an electric tractor (except in the most unusual situations).

I'm the first to embrace new technology. But new technology is only beneficial when applied to applications that result in greater efficiency or where it solves a problem. Efficiency includes cradle-to-grave costs and all related inputs/outputs. In this case, I simply question the premise of the "problem" we're trying to solve.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far...
  • Thread Starter
#50  
Luddite? It doesn't have a very flattering ring to it . . .

I think you may be missing the point of some of the concerns and push-back from those that question the overall efficiency of this application. It's not derived from "distaste" of the technology.

This "climate change" calamity is the all-time biggest scam ever foisted on the public. Whether it's true or not, the proposed solutions are simply not feasible from an engineering standpoint. We don't have the electric generation capacity to start adding whole new segments to the current grid. We have societal/environmental pressures to transition HVAC, water heating, cooking, air transportation, cars, trucks, over-the-road semi trucks, . . . from fossil fuels to electricity.

(And if you watch the news at all, you can see that we're losing capacity and in danger of curtailments and rolling blackouts this winter.)

Yet the electricity still has to be generated using RELIABLE sources such as coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc. The transition simply moves the location of the carbon emissions -- it doesn't eliminate it.

This "electric" tractor actually runs on coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc. and less than 2% wind and solar (even after 30 plus years of subsidies).

I question the APPLICATION of the technology. I don't dislike it. "The right tool for the right job" doesn't equate to an electric tractor (except in the most unusual situations).

I'm the first to embrace new technology. But new technology is only beneficial when applied to applications that result in greater efficiency or where it solves a problem. Efficiency includes cradle-to-grave costs and all related inputs/outputs. In this case, I simply question the premise of the "problem" we're trying to solve.
I appreciate your well stated point of view, thanks for sharing it.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #51  
Why don't they make one (with good rechargeable batteries) so it's covered in solar cells (where the mud doesn't land) and is designed to be left sitting outside 24/7?
There's just not enough surface area, and much/most of it isn't going to be at the optimum angle to absorb solar energy anyway. IIRC there is 733 watts per square meter of energy coming from the sun at the equator at noon on a perfectly clear day, and current solar technology is only 20-25% efficient, so you're looking at more like 150-180 watts per square meter. That's why it's far better to have a fixed solar install that has more surface area and can be placed in an unobstructed area. Really, the best thing we'll probably ever have is the flexible roll-up solar panels that can easily be hauled somewhere and laid out.

Ok -- I have two questions -- Why would anyone want one? What problem is this trying to solve?

The electricity is still coming from fossil fuels (natural gas, coal), nuclear, some hydro, and virtually no wind/solar.
You're assuming I'm doing this for environmental reasons. Not so... I want a more reliable, quieter tractor, with fewer moving parts.
It's pretty inefficient to transmit that electricity and then charge a battery repeatedly. If you drop all the lop-sided government subsidies, it costs more to "fuel" an electric tractor than a diesel tractor.
Gasoline engines are in the 25-30% efficient range today. Diesel is better, but still only 30-35%. An electric motor is about 90% efficient. In addition, my house can be my fueling station, so I don't have to run out and fill cans any more.
It will only run for a few hours and then needs to take a long rest while it's being charged. Diesel can run nonstop around the clock.
That's all I need it to do. If it can do 2 hours under a load, it'll take care of 95% of my needs. If it can do 4 hours under heavy load, 100% of my needs. Then, it can sit overnight and charge. In fact, it'll usually have several days to charge in between.
I can't carry fuel to it. If it quits, I can't pour a gallon of electricity into it to get it back to the barn.
So don't run it out. In a real pinch, a generator or an extension cord might do the trick, but it's better to just not run it out.
We already have a power grid that's FAILING in many locations during extreme weather. Why would we want to add additional load that has more efficient fuel options? (Just wait till they start trying to charge EV semi-trucks, etc. )
That is easily handled by charging at times when the power grid is underutilized. Currently, overnight is the lowest usage on the grid. More solar would obviously change that equation, but it's very easy to avoid peak times. Every EV can be programmed with your utility's off-peak times to take advantage of time-of-use charging, and there's plenty of smart chargers as well. Finally, with V2L technology, EVs can be used to help the power grid in extreme conditions.
Despite the fact that the government will likely steal some more of our tax dollars to offer obscene subsidies, the true actual cost is higher than diesel. If it costs more and doesn't solve any problem, what's the point?
They should be simpler to build once companies figure out how, and with far fewer parts and far less vibration, maintenance costs and time should be much lower. Plus, it'll be nice and quiet. Those are all really good things in my book.
The free market should drive innovation and product development. I just can't see how this makes engineering sense or economic sense.
There are things that can be done with battery weight that could be very helpful with tractors, and that's the kind of engineering I'm interested in doing.
The only way I'd maybe and that's a big maybe go near an electric vehicle is a hybrid and then the chances of me even go that route is next to nil. The cost of replacement batteries, the life of them makes it seem , to me anyway, a fools choice and that's just my thoughts.
The whole battery replacement thing is largely overblown, thanks to lots of FUD spread by the fossil fuel industry. The battery on my car is supposed to still have 80% capacity at 750,000 miles. It will outlast me. In addition, most batteries are made of several modules that can be replaced individually in the event of a serious fault. I have literally zero worry about replacing batteries.
I've always used this scenario as an example.
Say I have a 50km round trip to work every day so that's 250kms a week, say 300 for round figures. Friday night something happens and I have to go out on a 50 km trip but since I only charge the car once a week so I don't ruin the battery, I can't go as the battery is almost dead.
That's not at all how it should be done - You should plug it in whenever you're not using it, and let the battery management system take care of things. That's one of the things I love about electric cars - You leave the house with a full "tank" every day, and you never have to go out of your way to charge it, or stand out in the cold waiting for it.
Same timeframe, we have a storm go thru and the power goes out for 30 hours which it did just a couple months back. How do I even go out for necessities?
You just go, because it was probably already fully charged before the power went out. I have a friend whose house is set up where he can power his essentials from his car in the event of an outage - For days!
I question the APPLICATION of the technology. I don't dislike it. "The right tool for the right job" doesn't equate to an electric tractor (except in the most unusual situations).
It would work great for me, a homeowner who needs it to work for a few hours a week, and be reliable and quiet. And I don't think that's particularly unusual.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #52  
Regardless of the tractor brand as an EV, the two in my town are ka-put right now. And so is the full EV bus! Temps for over a week have not left the negative double digits for over night lows. The blowing snow has been a huge problem to remove and no EV tractor is available to get the job done in town. Then today I read about the Teslas in Chicago totally dead all around the city. People are stranded and paying big money at the downtown hotels till it warms up. One guy paid a towing company to move his EV vehicle to Milwaukee.

EV tractor for me, no way. Hybrid EV tractor, a better possibility as I see 'certain' benefits. And I would only pick a diesel+EV hybrid too.
 
Last edited:
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #53  
I watched the Tractor Time with Tim video on YouTube where he was mowing with Solis battery tractor. I think it was a 5 foot flail mower, so nothing huge. Going slow, he had enough power to get a nice cut, but if he sped up, the cut deteriorated. It didn't have enough power at full charge to give a good cut on short grass.

The tractor lasted about two hours of mowing and he was in limp mode getting back to his shop. He wasn't able to mow the entire field. I don't remember how long it will take to recharge it so he can mow for another two hours, and I don't know how many times he'll have to charge it to mow the entire field.

With the cold weather, another concern has come up. How much damage to the battery does the cold cause? What happens when the battery can't hold a charge anymore? Who is gonna buy a used battery powered tractor? Why would you?
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #54  
The whole battery replacement thing is largely overblown, thanks to lots of FUD spread by the fossil fuel industry. The battery on my car is supposed to still have 80% capacity at 750,000 miles.
Miles.
What about years of battery life ??
When I do a search of ev battery life I'm seeing 10-15 years or 15-20 years.
All our vehicles and tractors are older than that.
What happens in 15 years and the battery is junk and replacement cost is equal to or more than the value of the vehicle.
Then what throw the vehicle away??
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #55  
I watched the Tractor Time with Tim video on YouTube where he was mowing with Solis battery tractor. I think it was a 5 foot flail mower, so nothing huge. Going slow, he had enough power to get a nice cut, but if he sped up, the cut deteriorated. It didn't have enough power at full charge to give a good cut on short grass.

The tractor lasted about two hours of mowing and he was in limp mode getting back to his shop. He wasn't able to mow the entire field. I don't remember how long it will take to recharge it so he can mow for another two hours, and I don't know how many times he'll have to charge it to mow the entire field.

With the cold weather, another concern has come up. How much damage to the battery does the cold cause? What happens when the battery can't hold a charge anymore? Who is gonna buy a used battery powered tractor? Why would you?
With my Yanmar diesel a kin to the Solis, I can cut nearly 24 acres on 5-gallons of diesel making the pasture very attractive.

Until a better battery tech comes along, we are stuck in these early generations of machines. I heard there is something called the Active Silver Lithium battery tech coming. Tesla is ventured with this tech. 5X more the range, charges FULLY in 18mins, will not over charge, very little charge resistance, and more pluses. Yet, it's like 3 to 5 years out before we see it in production. A battery like this would solve many woes right now.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #56  
Miles.
What about years of battery life ??
When I do a search of ev battery life I'm seeing 10-15 years or 15-20 years.
All our vehicles and tractors are older than that.
What happens in 15 years and the battery is junk and replacement cost is equal to or more than the value of the vehicle.
Then what throw the vehicle away??
He said, 80% capacity at 750,000 miles.

What he didn't say was, at ambient temps. Who has ambient temps all year round ? We are in the negatives for over a week, and the low is double negatives. I've seen NO EVs on the road right now.

The cold kills the battery life, as in decade years to a few years. That 750,000 will drop like a rock for the full life of the battery.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #57  
He said, 80% capacity at 750,000 miles.

What he didn't say was, at ambient temps. Who has ambient temps all year round ? We are in the negatives for over a week, and the low is double negatives. I've seen NO EVs on the road right now.

The cold kills the battery life, as in decade years to a few years. That 750,000 will drop like a rock for the full life of the battery.
Here's where I have a problem with battery tractors.(or cars, I tend to keep them for decades also))
Lets say you average 100 hours per year for 15 years.
The tractor is in excellent shape but the battery pack is bad from age.
Now what, throw the thing away because the battery cost is as high as the value of the tractor.
Sorry, think I'll pass.

My current tractor is 23 years old, working like new and plan on using it for many more years.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #58  
Here's where I have a problem with battery tractors.(or cars, I tend to keep them for decades also))
Lets say you average 100 hours per year for 15 years.
The tractor is in excellent shape but the battery pack is bad from age.
Now what, throw the thing away because the battery cost is as high as the value of the tractor.
Sorry, think I'll pass.

My current tractor is 23 years old, working like new and plan on using it for many more years.
That is a consideration. People seem to be very guarded about the cost of the battery in these units. I can look at the cost of an engine at any time. CNH still will not publish an MSRP for the tractor they are currently selling that is electric. Why? Everything is shrouded in secrecy
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #59  
My tractor is 38 years old and still running strong. I'm pretty sure you won't see any electric tractors that old even with a restoration. The batteries will just be too costly. And it's not like anyone will be able to restore the batteries at home. You won't be able to buy a battery pack from Tractor Supply or Walmart and bring home in the trunk. The batteries are so dangerous, they don't even want you to park your EV in the garage.
 
   / Solis SV24 Electric tractor - Here is what we know so far... #60  
The more popular tractor brands and models hold their value. If you paid $30,000 for it ten years ago, odds are very good that you could sell it for $30,000 today, or even more then you paid for it. I paid $55,000 for my Massey 4707 a year and a half ago, and I'm seeing used ones being listed for $60,000 with more hours.

I don't see that happening with a battery powered tractor.

Looking at used prices for Tesla's, it seems that the price is half of new ones, once they break 50,000 miles. A few with over 100,000 miles are really, really cheap!!!
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2018 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA TANDEM AXLE SLEEPER (A59905)
2018 FREIGHTLINER...
405 (A52706)
405 (A52706)
Unused 2025 CFG Industrial QK16R Mini Excavator (A59228)
Unused 2025 CFG...
BETTER BUILT FUEL CELL (A58214)
BETTER BUILT FUEL...
Great Dane Van Trailer 1989 (A61306)
Great Dane Van...
2025 CFG Industrial QK18R Mini Excavator (A59228)
2025 CFG...
 
Top