another hiccup to going solar?

   / another hiccup to going solar? #201  
Does anyone here have a wind turbine or two to supplement solar? I have been looking at smaller vertical axis wind turbines, in addition to solar.
No decision yet.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #202  
Does anyone here have a wind turbine or two to supplement solar? I have been looking at smaller vertical axis wind turbines, in addition to solar.
No decision yet.
Looked into it at one time. Not enough wind here to make it worthwhile. With our average wind speed would barely produce any useful electricity.

In southern Ontario we get many grey overcast days so solar isn't very cost effective. I was speaking to a neighbor who was complaining he didn't produce any electricity in January and February last year. This year not much better.

Cheaper to conserve energy and hook up to the grid.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #203  
Does anyone here have a wind turbine or two to supplement solar? I have been looking at smaller vertical axis wind turbines, in addition to solar.
No decision yet.
You asked good questions, my friend. I have the same question. My place is on top of a hill and frequently has 4-30 mph winds. It also has 4-6 days of rain or overcast. My solar is "adequate" and I just added another battery. (5 panels and 5 deep cycle batts). I'm looking into swapping my 100 wt panels for 200 wt panels. The vertical wind generators are tempting but, like you, there are many no wind/light wind days where it would be useless. Looking for reader input.....
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #204  
I have an off grid solar system and a connection to the grid. If my batteries get too low I use a transfer switch to connect my home back to the grid. My heavy loads are on a separate circuit always connected to the grid.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #205  
My wife and I looked into solar but the only way I could see it making sense would be to not include the electric company in any way. Meaning go completely off grid or using electric company power only when excessive power is needed. This would require a battery bank and the ROI just isn't there. To go into business with the electric company and expect to use them as a resource just didnt seem reliable or like a good bet. I wouldnt do it without a sufficient battery bank and the cost is preventative.

One day if the battery technology and cost of battery banks changes, it might be worth looking at again.
That is exactly what I did. I have the heavy loads (electric heat) connected to the grid power and a transfer switch to connect the rest to the grid if my batteries get low. $20,000 for an 11,000 pvw off grid system and I did the install myself. I did find out I am a little short on power so I need 10 more panels and two more batteries. That will another $5000. I paid cash, having one installed and financed would cost twice that.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #206  
Does anyone here have a wind turbine or two to supplement solar? I have been looking at smaller vertical axis wind turbines, in addition to solar.
No decision yet.
I don't have wind turbines, but I looked into them some time ago before I looked into solar. They did not seem to be a good decision economically. What I learned then, must be 15 year ago now, what they they would never pay for themselves. Before they paid for themselves they would need to be replaced. Of course we are talking a lot of years and they may be improved now. If you have other reasons for installing them that might be one thing, but if the goal is to save money that is less likely with wind that with solar. I've had my solar panels for over 7 years, they have paid for themselves and will likely last another 10 to 15 years before the panels need to be replace.

I would definitely look at life expectancy and how much power they are projected to create over that time.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #207  
Looked into it at one time. Not enough wind here to make it worthwhile. With our average wind speed would barely produce any useful electricity.

In southern Ontario we get many grey overcast days so solar isn't very cost effective. I was speaking to a neighbor who was complaining he didn't produce any electricity in January and February last year. This year not much better.

Cheaper to conserve energy and hook up to the grid.
I'm in northern California and there's often next to no solar production in January and February. Over the whole year I'm still where I planned to be, but with a modern house solar alone definitely isn't going to cover dark winter months, let alone further north where the days are that much shorter and skies more likely to be dark from weather.

I've looked into wind, and it's a rare place that has the consistent wind necessary to make it economically feasible - more likely on an ocean coast or up in mountains. Doesn't matter if you "often" have 30mph winds, the problem is that when you think "yeah it's windy here" you're typically thinking about when it's windy it's windy! of course. No, you need windy almost all the time... or at least when the sun isn't shining, but that's still a lot of time.

IMO the off-grid holy grail would be having a big lake up above and using it for hydroelectric in the winter.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #208  
Do you have net metering? When I had solar, net metering would "bank" my excess production, and I made enough to carry an electric heat house all winter.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #209  
Do you have net metering? When I had solar, net metering would "bank" my excess production, and I made enough to carry an electric heat house all winter.
I do. Everything "trues up" in February. My system was sized aiming at about a 90% bill reduction. If you go over 100% you waste it, as net metering pays absolute peanuts if you go over.

tbh my main electricity use is in the summer, if it's a hot one or really smokey. If the air is clear and it's not crazy hot I just open everything.
I expect better electricity this year as I also had an old irrigation pump that ran almost all the time due to poor sealing...
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #210  
I do. Everything "trues up" in February. My system was sized aiming at about a 90% bill reduction. If you go over 100% you waste it, as net metering pays absolute peanuts if you go over.

tbh my main electricity use is in the summer, if it's a hot one or really smokey. If the air is clear and it's not crazy hot I just open everything.
I expect better electricity this year as I also had an old irrigation pump that ran almost all the time due to poor sealing...
You're right about peanuts, Eversource paid .0675 per kwh, and charges about .18kwh. I didn't care, 52 panels consistently produced 15MW a year. System paid off in roughly 8 years. When we sold house, solar brought in enough "extra" money to pay it off again. I did use roof rake in winter, to increase production.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #211  
You're right about peanuts, Eversource paid .0675 per kwh, and charges about .18kwh. I didn't care, 52 panels consistently produced 15MW a year. System paid off in roughly 8 years. When we sold house, solar brought in enough "extra" money to pay it off again. I did use roof rake in winter, to increase production.
PGE pays time-of-day pricing to 100%, then $0.03 (three cents) per kwh beyond 100%.

Our hot tub is used in the late evening, but it's cheaper to fire it up near the end of the morning "cheaper" power and keep the water moving & warm all day until we use it, rather than have it warm back up a couple hours before we use it, because the morning power costs half what the evening does (and the hot tub doesn't use a ton of power after it's up to temp). Overall more power use, just costs less.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #212  
You're right about peanuts, Eversource paid .0675 per kwh, and charges about .18kwh. I didn't care, 52 panels consistently produced 15MW a year. System paid off in roughly 8 years. When we sold house, solar brought in enough "extra" money to pay it off again. I did use roof rake in winter, to increase production.
They paid .0314 I think last year and as of 2024 unless your already under contract They pay 0
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #213  
I’m grandfathered until my contract is over.

My 6kW array generates enough to cover all electric charges and send me a $200-$300 check once a year.

Of course I don’t use a lot… only a few A/C days a year plus refrigerator and freezer and lights and Saturday wash day.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #214  
I got my first electric bill the other day since solar. I ended up with a 91 dollar credit. 144kw I think it said but I’d have to look again. So hopefully I can pile up enough to cover the summer ac and the short winter days. That’s the plan anyway. I run the ac a lot in the summer. I sweat all day at work and I’m not gonna sweat watching tv.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #215  
A/C is still very rare here even on upscale homes...

My Carrier dates from 1993 and still works well but the meter starts a spinning.

Home I grew up in is 2400 square feet circa 1958 with single pane windows and a gas furnace and hot water.

Summer or winter the daily kW use averages 12...
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #216  
Those Carrier type a/c units will spin the meter. Now heat pumps, super efficient, and they can provide heat as well. Had them installed with solar, that was the way to go for me. Moved to VT and got cold climate heat pumps. Again, even with no solar up here, that was the way to go for me...
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #217  
I saw an article recently that says Chinese solar panels are a glut on the market. Now is the time to buy. Once the Ferengi wipe out all the competition they will jack prices up again.

 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #218  
California about wiped out the solar market in CA. Both SCE and PGE got the Public Utilities Commission (who they OWN) to basically make solar a minimum of 20 year payback. Thousands of solar installer jobs have been lost in the last year.
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #219  
California about wiped out the solar market in CA. Both SCE and PGE got the Public Utilities Commission (who they OWN) to basically make solar a minimum of 20 year payback. Thousands of solar installer jobs have been lost in the last year.
They didn't "make" solar a 20 yr payback.

Solar was already that or more. Til govt forced them to subsidize residential solar . That cost was passed onto all non solar customers. So non solar customers paid a lot more, solar customers were way over compensated.

They just balancing the playing field back to what it ought to be
 
   / another hiccup to going solar? #220  
They didn't "make" solar a 20 yr payback.

Solar was already that or more. Til govt forced them to subsidize residential solar . That cost was passed onto all non solar customers. So non solar customers paid a lot more, solar customers were way over compensated.

They just balancing the playing field back to what it ought to be
Apparently you don’t have any investments. When you invest you anticipate getting a return on your investment. People who can’t afford to invest do not make that return, they pay the return to the investors. If you invested in oil or pharmaceuticals then non-investors are providing your return.
 

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