Dump Trucking & Dump Trailering

[Hay Dude]

Thought this would be an opportunity to let some of us with dump trucks/trailers to show some of the uses & situations for them.

Today I started delivering stone to build a 200’ long temporary stone trail over a muddy area for a customer.

Here I am arriving at the site with 10 tons of 3” tire scrubbers.

My fuel filter light comes & goes. Just changed filter, so I’m pretty sure it’s the sender. The ABS lights are like a nonstop issue on big trucks today.

Getting closer to the hill in the trail. Its not that steep, but its got a decent fall off to the left side, so you have to pay attention. I put it in 4WD, you might be able to see the switch on the dash is lit.

Up at the top of the hill.

Found some dry ground up here. Thats always a good thing…..been mushy all spring.

And dumped. Headed back. 10 tons doesn’t look like a lot after its on the ground…. :/

Back to home. Back at it again tomorrow !

 

[nisaacs]

10 tons doesn’t look like a lot after its on the ground…. :/

Yes, about 6.6 yards. With my non CDL registration I can only haul 6 ton or 4 yards of rock, so I don't. Not enough volume for most customers. If they insist, then I will, but I make it plain what I can haul.

I do move a lot of cinders, 6 ton is 6 yds for the fine stuff, 3/4" minus, the 2" clinkers I can haul 8 yds, a lot more air in the load.

I am wondering why you just dumped and didn't spread it with the truck?

Most of my cinders are spread.

 

[3Ts]

And dumped. Headed back. 10 tons doesn’t look like a lot after its on the ground…. :

No, it doesn't. That's what, about 6 yards?

Question1: What is your GVW? I'm under the impression that rear axles have a max weight rating of 20,000# and front axles are typically in the range of 17,000# for a GVW of 37k. I would think the 20k load would put you over weight and this leads into question #2.

Question2: Why do you use a single axle dump instead of a dump trailer? Costs for the purchase and operation of a trailer is much less than a truck. Only benefit I see to the truck is easier to maneuver in tight places.

By the way, Nice truck, I wish I had one. Just can't justify one, I can barely justify my dump trailer.

 

[Hay Dude]

No, it doesn't. That's what, about 6 yards?

Question1: What is your GVW?

41,780#

I'm under the impression that rear axles have a max weight rating of 20,000#

My rear axle is 27,000#

and front axles are typically in the range of 17,000# for a GVW of 37k.

My front axle is 14,780# Most front axles are 12,000#.

I would think the 20k load would put you over weight and this leads into question #2.

No. Truck weighs 21,000# empty and 10 tons (20,000#) makes me 41,000# so I'm fully in the legal range. I’m legal with 20,780#.

Question2: Why do you use a single axle dump instead of a dump trailer? Costs for the purchase and operation of a trailer is much less than a truck. Only benefit I see to the truck is easier to maneuver in tight places.

And that's just it. Even with my Ram with 4WD, it couldn't pull a loaded dump trailer with a 20,000# load capacity into the places where I go with a 4WD dump truck.

By the way, Nice truck, I wish I had one. Just can't justify one, I can barely justify my dump trailer.

Thanks. I actually may buy a dump trailer in the near future for easy access jobs, but this dump truck is doing a good job so far

 

[Hay Dude]

Yes, about 6.6 yards. With my non CDL registration I can only haul 6 ton or 4 yards of rock, so I don't. Not enough volume for most customers. If they insist, then I will, but I make it plain what I can haul.

I do move a lot of cinders, 6 ton is 6 yds for the fine stuff, 3/4" minus, the 2" clinkers I can haul 8 yds, a lot more air in the load.

I am wondering why you just dumped and didn't spread it with the truck?

Most of my cinders are spread.

Because it's got to be shuttled from the pile to the soft trail. Even with 4WD at that weight, the truck would sink

 

[JPRambo]

Could not find a recent picture. I sometimes need a small load of gravel to spot repair gravel diveway.



Trailer weight is ~1500 lbs. Max is 9990 lbs.
My truck weight is ~5100lbs. and GCWR is 14900lbs. I try to keep it around 12000 lb because I have a serious hill to climb from the gravel pit back to my property.

 

[EddieWalker]

My dump truck is an old F600 gasoline engine beater that's not street legal, so I just use it for moving dirt around my place. Since I never drove one before buying this one, it's been a learning experience full of mistakes.

Making sure it's level when dumping is a big one. Another is not loading it with mud from the pond where the water will drain down to where the tires have to drive on when leaving the pond.

This is one of my worse stucks ever. Fortunately my neighbor saw me and he brought his backhoe over. With his backhoe, and mine, we pulled it out fairly easy.

 

[ning]

I drool over dump trailers and smaller dump trucks but I need them only once or twice a year at this point so can't justify having one of my own, so I'll just watch from here for now.

 

[Joel/ak]

This why I don't let my wife drive it. She atleast grabbed a shovel.

Raising our road.

Hydraulics are only rated for 5 ton but it works. Luckily gravel yard is only a couple miles down the road.

Unfortunately, rust took over and it's not really road safe, IMO so now we just use it to move gravel and dirt around the property and just pay to have it delivered.

 

[dodge man]

I’m also in the “want a dump trailer but don’t need one “ category. I figure with a 14,000 pound dump trailer I could haul 4 or 5 tons of gravel but that’d be over what I should be hauling with my F150.

 

[Hay Dude]

Couple more from today. On the road to pick up a load of stone.

I saw my boys from East Penn Railroad working on the tracks.

Back to the site to dump another load

View out the back window of the cab

Hoofed it back to the farm to get the tractor down this old tractor path.

Here’s the old railroad tracks still slightly above ground from a bygone era when we used to manufacture things in PA.

Back with the tractor fabric down and beginning stone.

Back on the road for another

 

[Too many Kubotas]

Could not find a recent picture. I sometimes need a small load of gravel to spot repair gravel diveway.

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Trailer weight is ~1500 lbs. Max is 9990 lbs.
My truck weight is ~5100lbs. and GCWR is 14900lbs. I try to keep it around 12000 lb because I have a serious hill to climb from the gravel pit back to my property.

If that trailer only weighs 1,500 lbs. I wouldn't want that load in it.

When I (mistakenly) had about that much gravel in mine I thankfully didn't use my 2500 but the Peterbilt. Also because there's a somewhat steep climb leaving the pit, and it's paved so I couldn't use 4WD low range.

As it (predictably) turned out, the trailer wouldn't dump, or even lift the bed at all. Possibly because the trailer itself weighs about three times as much.

 

[Rustyiron]

The truck turned out great HD! Are you happy with it?
4wd is such a comfort to have, it's not like your going "wheeling" with it, but backing up just a foot more than you should have can make for an hour or more chore especially by yourself.

 

[Hay Dude]

The truck turned out great HD!

Thanks! Still adding to it. Need a tarp and a few more repairs

Are you happy with it?

I love it. The HT570 pulls really hard. 9.3L and 1100 torque is so nice to drive. Even with 10 tons, you’d think it was empty.

4wd is such a comfort to have, it's not like your going "wheeling" with it, but backing up just a foot more than you should have can make for an hour or more chore especially by yourself.

It really is. Even the push button locking rear is great. Then slap it into 4WD and its pretty cool on muddy fields.

 

[nisaacs]

Delivered 3 loads but 7 dump cycles today He needs about 2 or 3 more but I ran out of stock. I will haul from the pit Monday.

 

[Hay Dude]

Amazing how red that Arizona soil/rock is.
I love it there, but I would miss my PA/DE Piedmont hills & farm lands

 

[nisaacs]

And that's just it. Even with my Ram with 4WD, it couldn't pull a loaded dump trailer with a 20,000# load capacity into the places where I go with a 4WD dump truck.

Thanks. I actually may buy a dump trailer in the near future for easy access jobs, but this dump truck is doing a good job so far

I agree, 40' of dump trailer/truck don't fit in a lot of instances, yet since I take the job, I have to make it fit. Hard on trucks and trailers.

I would love to have a 6 wheel dump truck but don't want the regulations that go with it.

I can't even haul with a 1 ton SRW. I haul under Arizona's exempt laws. It has to be a 3/4 ton or less to qualify.

A dump trailer also requires two operators, one to drive the truck and one to operate the tailgate/dump.

 

[Hay Dude]

Once the tires on the trailer get into even just 2” of soft ground, the rolling resistance gets really hard for the truck to get through. I know this from hauling hay off of soft fields.

 

[Rustyiron]

A trailer manufacturer who offered a "floater" tire package would do well. It would cost some width in a deck between the wheels arrangement but shouldn't be a problem with everything above the tires. Most of the trailer tires are what could be called "pizza cutters"!

 

[Doug Vee]

Thanks! Still adding to it. Need a tarp and a few more repairs


I love it. The HT570 pulls really hard. 9.3L and 1100 torque is so nice to drive. Even with 10 tons, you’d think it was empty.

It really is. Even the push button locking rear is great. Then slap it into 4WD and its pretty cool on muddy fields.

It is definitely a nice truck. I would love to have a truck just like it, but am in the same boat as the others...can't justify it.

Doug