sd455dan
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First, good post. You make some good points. But I think you misunderstood me on this one item.
This tangent goes back to a claim that EV's are powered by power plants, and many of them burn coal or gas. Specifically:
And my point there is that only 64% of the power EV's take from the grid came from fossil fuels, whereas 100% of the power produced by ICE's comes from fossil fuels. That's not playing "fast and loose", it is accurate accounting of the inputs.
Useless tangent. You like EIA data, so we can use their number of 4% for the fraction of power on our grid coming from solar. Wasting attention on the accuracy of such a small slice of the pie really isn't going to nudge the numbers in any meaningful way.
Agreed. That's why I called it at 41.5% efficient, not 100%. Again:
That's an excellent point, if true.
Even if you drive it everyday, loss rate would be the same. You're losing 3.5 full charges per year, at that loss rate, whether you drive it or not. It'd be interesting to see how various brands compare under various conditions, but I guess the number is small enough that they have bigger items for comparison.
I think that flushes out in the net mileage, for those conditions.
Agreed. It's what makes all of this crap so contentious. Players have big investments to protect on both sides, and both have a strong interest in creating slanted views of reality.
When it comes to fossil fuel utilization though, I don't think you can make an honest and valid argument for the ICE. For me, ICE wins on cost (low mileage driver), lack of recalls, ease of maintenance, and many other fronts. That's why I still own ICE's. But I won't pretend that I'm not using a heck of a lot more fossil fuel than an EV, which is the only point to which I was responding. I just don't care that much about energy dependence in my personal vehicles.
I own and drive ICE vehicles by a margin but do think that the EV should be way more efficient in any state where the majority of utility power is produced by hydroelectric generation. Doing a general google search, what comes up is about 80-90% efficient, there is very little heat generation since it is not steam spinning up the turbine just cold water.
Not much changes with the back and forth in these discussions over the last few years,
I still really like both types.
Still feel for short town trips and anything under 300 miles the EV is great as is winter driving start up and go with a warm interior.
Deep snow or any hauling heavy (especially long distance) Give me an HD 4 x 4 diesel truck. For getting thumbs up and just a fun exhilarating ride, gas motorcycle or a 40+ year old muscle car.
Playing in the dirt an ICE powered Jeep or tractor. Oh and they still have not made a light and powerful enough electric chainsaw I would trade one of my Husky saws for.
Buy and drive what you like. The world would be really boring if everyone drove the same thing.
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