EV owners of today and tomorrow

[DarkBlack]

You pretend she might drive an EV if the EV had (very expensive and inefficient) wireless charging. Yet admit to being too cheap to provide an awning, canopy, carport, or garage for your wife, just to try to score a debate point against me.

Forget your wife, the tractor sleeps warm and dry!

No I didn’t “pretend” the decision hinged on induction charging. You just don’t get it. I’ve explained every way from Sunday how EV’s don’t make sense for where I live, and my lifestyle. Even the electricity would be more expensive than gasoline.

I pass a gas station any direction I travel. In fact yesterday, the price dropped to $3.04.

We all get it that you and a couple of EV owners have everything needed to make a battery car work out, from a garage space , to charging station installed, to solar panels, and/or 5 cents electricity.
You seem incapable of understanding that’s not the situation across the entire country

 

[Grumpycat]

We get those crazy dumpings too, almost tropical-level intensity... but that never lasts very long. So, you go inside and make dinner, and then head back out to the driveway 30 minutes later to plug in. Opinions will vary, but for me, this still beats driving to a gas station and waiting by a pump.

You don't go inside to make diner before plugging the car in, rain or not.

Now, if I could have my ICE and a gas pump in my own garage, that'd be great. But our fuel usage is not high enough to justify that, or to keep fuel fresh in any reasonable delivered quantity.

Grandfather had an in-ground gasoline tank and dispenser. His tractor was a Farmall M, purchased new. Back then they didn't carry fuel to the field very often. Today a diesel transfer tank in a pickup truck has replaced the smaller stationary farm fuel tanks. Can buy diesel at a gas station cheaper than having it delivered.

 

[Grumpycat]

I find it interesting that when I originally brought up charging EVs in rain or snow it was in the context of Grumpy suggesting that everyone including those without garages could still plug in to typical 15 amp 120volt plug ins like he does. My point , that obviously I was not clear enough with, was that some of that demographic of driveway parkers or street or apartment dwellers would be running diy extension cords with plugs thru snowbanks or rain to get to their EV car and then of course the questionable safety and or breakers kicking out , and you waking up to a car not charged. But then I also didn't bring up the other concern that a 15 amp 120volt EV charge would take what 12 ? 20 ? or more hours to charge a EV , hopefully you didn't get below 30 % ? The day before. But I digress suffice it to say my example was not due to a EV owner being afraid to get wet. Now with that said .....I am going fishing, it is 40 degrees F this morn and I best get going before season ends.

One rarely gets to 30% if one charges daily. I mentioned this in other posts today. But lets say you do, and 120V is all you have. Park 12 hours (or more) at 5 MPH charge rate you get 60 miles. Are you driving more than 60 miles tomorrow? If not, then what is the problem?

Having wired 240V 50A circuits myself the only difference between 240V and 120V is the breaker, wire, and outlet. You guys make mountains out of molehills. Wouldn't think anything of running 240V for your welder, but an EV? End Of The World!

The thing wrongly called a "charger" for L1 and L2 charging, is not. It is an EVSE, Electric Vehicle Storage Equipment (yeah, terrible name) which serves as a smart super safe error checked extension cord complete with GFI and over current protection. Is safe to connect or disconnect in the rain charging or not.

 

[Grumpycat]

Well, I did the calculations. A used Model 3 would save us about $100/mo in fueling costs... But, the insurance increase would eat into that pretty readily. So, it's nearly a wash, still.

What was the insurance increase?

 

[Grumpycat]

You seem incapable of understanding that’s not the situation across the entire country

You seem incapable of understanding I don't make the claim an EV is suitable for everyone but I'll happily correct your errors when saying something like, "If only EVs had wireless charging like my phone."

You live in a regressive state where the burden of government and taxation has inflated prices, including electricity.

 

[DarkBlack]

I'll happily correct your errors when saying something like, "If only EVs had wireless charging like my phone."

…Ah, but we know that’s not what I said. That’s why you conveniently didn’t actually do a proper quote of my text.
That’s not what I said and it wasn’t the intent… but of course, you already know that.
Nice try

 

[DarkBlack]

You live in a regressive state where the burden of government and taxation has inflated prices, including electricity.

It’s not my state. All of New England has high electric prices. We’re all fall under ISO-NE and Nepool.

 

[Grumpycat]

Oh I forgot, we need to only do things the way Grumpy does it or else we are wrong.

How about doing it the way the forum software intends?

here is another link further reinforcing need to have way more charging infrastructure on the roads. So similar to the gas station model we have ......sorry Grumpy it's not the way you do things hmmmm EV Charging Infrastructure: Trends, Requirements & Costs

You cite a document from the Smart Power Electric Alliance calling for increased government spending on their own members' pet projects! Might as well cite economic theory from The Atlantic, Washington Post, Politicio, etc., would be every bit as predictable.

What do you think The Committee For Better Pay For Postal Workers would say about current wages and salaries?

The article claims EVs are way below the necessary number of charging ports because they only count public charging. They mention home charging but neglect to mention 90% of the need is being met right now with home charging. Nope, "we need the government to solve this problem with Public Charging and Public Transportation!"

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

My wife drives about 200 miles per day when showing homes...

So 60 miles of charge per night, wouldnt cut it on those days. She would need level 2. Simple math

 

[sd455dan]

A $140,000 (US dollars?) Tesla would be one of the early models. This article is at least 2 years old.

Having owned and driven a 2013 Model S for 10 years the above owner is an idiot. Car gave lengthy advance warning when the 12V battery was going bad. The author of the hit piece didn't do any research when the ignorant owner's claims were too juicy not to print.

On the original Model S it is trivial (no tools but a credit card or two to pry helps) to pop the front plastic in the bumper where two jumper terminals (imagine that!) are located. Put 12V there for a few moments and the door locks work once again. Is all in the owner's manual, which in this day and age reading more than 2 pages is too much work to expect of anyone. Or even knowing the owner's manual is online (searchable, even!) in the car, in the app, and the webpage.

Next we'll hear about rich women driving into a lakes and drowning while on the telephone because they don't know where the mechanical door latch is located. But no, that can't be the fault, it is the battery!

Should plug in every time you arrive.


The EVSE is safe in the rain. The Tesla Wall Connector is outdoor rated.

Yep, Mine lives outside. It Looks COOL at night when the car is charging

ps. What a Great car, I have buyers remorse with things purchased sometimes, just not with the Model Y It just continues to impress me.

I'm in the rural 'burbs about 30 miles north of center city. We have 7 stations in my usual weekly driving circle, 4 of which have canopies and 3 which are older service stations which do not have canopies. Lots of old 2-bay service stations around here, all of which once had gas pumps, about half of which still retain them.


Yes, I know that's unusual. And I think it's as much the driver as the vehicle, as my wife routinely gets 50% better mileage than me when we trade vehicles for a few days or a week. It takes a certain amount of energy to accelerate 5000 lb. of steel from 0 to 60 mph in a given time or distance, your patience with that task likely dictating the fuel usage, much more than relatively minor differences in engine efficiency.


Find me a 500 hp car that gets 36 mpg, and we can talk!


Probably true. I think we can all be guilty of that sometimes, assuming our situation is common or normal.


Again, assuming others habits and schedule reflect my own. Some may even need to charge daily, I guess comparing average yearly mileage to average EV range could help us settle that debate.

But that really wasn't the main point of my post, which is that plugging a vehicle in at home and letting it refuel while you sleep is likely easier than driving to a gas station, for many or most buyers of new vehicles... even those parking outside of their garage. This was based on the statistics of 90 - 93% of new vehicle buyers being homeowners, more than how many days they need to plug in a cord.

Well a newer S, 3, X, or Y in Performance trim should easily get that in equivalent MPG. The US built 3P is now over 600HP and even driven hard it would be almost impossible to get down to 36 MPG in "fuel" cost.

Last years Model Y dyno-ed over 500 at the wheels as well. Hot rodding the Y around I don't think I have been able to get below about 70 Mpge because of the 8-10 cent KWH grid we have here.

Maybe that ought to be a new sales ad for Tesla Performance Models Go enjoy Very spirited 500+ HP driving and still get better fuel economy than many 150 HP economy cars.

My wife drives about 200 miles per day when showing homes...

So 60 miles of charge per night, wouldnt cut it on those days. She would need level 2. Simple math

That was the easy part for me. about $550 in parts, works like a charm. If there is no way to add a wall connector with a stout enough 240 VAC supply, I would agree though. Probably better to get a hybrid/ range extended vehicle.