Dock strike/Toilet paper shortage??

[tradosaurus]

I spent maybe 6 or 7 years as salary. During that time, I think I beat the company on hours, maybe 2 weeks in the entire period. 7a-7p, Mon-Fri, and 7-3.30p sat, for 40 hours of pay was very common.

Yeah. That’s BS and should be a federal law that any over 40 for anyone should be paid.

At least the federal govt has it right by paying overtime for salary.

 

[WinterDeere]

Yeah. That’s BS and should be a federal law that any over 40 for anyone should be paid.

At least the federal govt has it right by paying overtime for salary.

I think good arguments could be made both ways. I would agree with your thinking, if we lived in a country with a largely unhealthy job market. But that hasn't been the case here, for at least most of my working life, and the free market has a way of fixing this problem without federal laws dictating pay.

When companies push employees that hard in any market where there are options, they generally need to compensate them pretty well, lest they walk. Likewise, companies known to be pretty easy on work load can get away with paying much less, and those who are satisfied with less pay for less work will generally stick around.

It's not a perfect system, but on the macro scale, it generally works. I've been in both environments, choosing to stay or walk based on what worked for my needs, at various stages of life.

 

[ultrarunner]

Lots of exempt professionals and even some highly paid professionals have carve outs like California RN’s

I know two podiatrists that now work as registered nurses…

The difference is they earn about the same 150k but no responsibilities running a practice and managing employees.

A huge benefit is they can actually take paid time off.

The sole practitioner is fading in America when it comes to running a practice.

 

[paulsharvey]

Lots of people are per diem, or piece rate, with can be good or bad. Salary used to be a sign you "made it" but I would say 90% of the time it's a loosing proposition. I prefer hourly.

Someone commented on their PTO. I have the issue that it builds up at a ridiculous rate, 6.0 hrs per 2 weeks. No way anyone could actually use that and get anything done, but they won't let you cash out out. I just checked, and I'm sitting at 290 hours. I'd sell then 200 of it back tomorrow dollar for dollar, if they would let me. Heck, let me freeze acrueing PTO and throw me 6 hours of straight pay on every check. It would take 5 years to burn through that 290. Once I reach 400, it completely stops building, and you get nothing for it.

Wife can cash out 80 hrs per year, which is a nice compromise. I think she gets 4.0 every 2 weeks.

Edit; I do like taking time off, and I do; normally try for the week between Christmas and new years, and normally like 2-3 days grouped with a weekend in the summer; along with maybe a couple half days though out the year.

 

[ultrarunner]

Lots of people are per diem, or piece rate, with can be good or bad. Salary used to be a sign you "made it" but I would say 90% of the time it's a loosing proposition. I prefer hourly.

Someone commented on their PTO. I have the issue that it builds up at a ridiculous rate, 6.0 hrs per 2 weeks. No way anyone could actually use that and get anything done, but they won't let you cash out out. I just checked, and I'm sitting at 290 hours. I'd sell then 200 of it back tomorrow dollar for dollar, if they would let me. Heck, let me freeze acrueing PTO and throw me 6 hours of straight pay on every check. It would take 5 years to burn through that 290. Once I reach 400, it completely stops building, and you get nothing for it.

Wife can cash out 80 hrs per year, which is a nice compromise. I think she gets 4.0 every 2 weeks.

I was foregoing accrual because maxed at 288 and time off requests denied due to needs of the business.

Once a year up to 80 hours can be sold back with a 6% deduction penalty for not using.

This was a hot topic enterprise wide so now accrual to 400 hours.

A lot of the RN’s have worked their schedules to 4 day work weeks with taking PTO on the 5th day which covers much of the 5th day lost wages.

The younger ones often will have a weekend nursing job and these are the 200k nurses…

 

[paulsharvey]

So, on Unions, a friend works for a unionized city utility, that is privatizing, and removing union. They haven't gotten them real raises over the years, typical 1.5-2% stuff, less than normal free market. What they did get them, anything after 8 hrs is 1.5x; and anything after 12 is 2x; and I think they get the value of 1 meal (that's like $20?) if they go over 12. The flip side of that, they have cracked down on scheduled over time.

 

[paulsharvey]

I was foregoing accrual because maxed at 288 and time off requests denied due to needs of the business.

Once a year up to 80 hours can be sold back with a 6% deduction penalty for not using.

This was a hot topic enterprise wide so now accrual to 400 hours.

A lot of the RN’s have worked their schedules to 4 day work weeks with taking PTO on the 5th day which covers much of the 5th day lost wages.

The younger ones often will have a weekend nursing job and these are the 200k nurses…

Are nurses in your part of the world not 12 hour shifts? Here almost all nurses, except kinda crappy doctors office types, are all 3-12s, normally with the ability to schedule a 4th 12, for 8 hours of OT

 

[paulsharvey]

I have often had this convo at work; I'm always down for OT or time off, but what I Hate, is work 16-20 hr, then another 16, then maybe 4, and get sent home. Yeah, great, got your 40, but you don't get anything for the **** hours, crazy sleep schedule (or lack of)

 

[ultrarunner]

Are nurses in your part of the world not 12 hour shifts? Here almost all nurses, except kinda crappy doctors office types, are all 3-12s, normally with the ability to schedule a 4th 12, for 8 hours of OT

Depends on department…

The nurses I work the most with are not under a collective bargaining agreement so anything 8-12 is time and a half and more than 12 double time.

The biggest problem is missed breaks including mealtime.

 

[Torvy]

Every private sector company i worked for paid shift differential for unpopular shifts (usually nights/weekends).

PTO for someone in most management (salaried) positions is not worth much. You essentially have to squeeze the work in before you leave and/or get it done after you come back. The true advantage of hourly positions, imo, is that ability to let work stay at work. If you take time off, someone else will pick up the slack.

This is part of the reason why most managers, all the way up to CEO make so much more money. Even when they are off, part of their brain is at work. They also have far less job security than most hourly workers. I did it because I liked the work and I was good at it.