Dock strike/Toilet paper shortage??

[paulsharvey]

Depends on department…

The nurses I work the most with are not under a collective bargaining agreement so anything 8-12 is time and a half and more than 12 double time.

The biggest problem is missed breaks including mealtime.

Yeah, that whole California over time. Was talking to a guy the other day, that didn't realize you can work 24 hours and not get over time unless you work over 40 in a week.

I do know some people on the 5-9s then 4-9s schedule; which they like, but that that only works for 80 hours in 2 weeks folks; which gives employer a good chance to avoid over time.

I can't tell you how many people complain about not making enough money, and then the moment you mention working over the weekend, or staying late, they don't want to work...

There is a pretty large, regional road builder, that is know for the "you don't need a raise, you just need to work more hours" line. In the road building industry, it's not uncommon to work 70-90/week. Had a guy show me his 108 hr time sheet once. Don't think I've ever did more than 86 hrs in one week, and that is rough

 

[ultrarunner]

Every private sector company i worked for paid shift differential for unpopular shifts (usually nights/weekends).

PTO for someone in most management (salaried) positions is not worth much. You essentially have to squeeze the work in before you leave and/or get it done after you come back. The true advantage of hourly positions, imo, is that ability to let work stay at work. If you take time off, someone else will pick up the slack.

This is part of the reason why most managers, all the way up to CEO make so much more money. Even when they are off, part of their brain is at work. They also have far less job security than most hourly workers. I did it because I liked the work and I was good at it.

I’m to be always available and in the rare get away always urgent texts from managers which has not changed now being hourly.

I did loose my company phone going hourly but being in call my number is widely deceminsted.

If called in the minimum is 2 hours pay being hourly.

There is not a day that goes by without after hour work related something… maybe because I’m 10 minutes from work?

Admin has me keep track of lost accrual and quietly makes an effort to make it up…

I do miss my relief help who was well liked but new rules say too expensive to maintain in the event of my absence… he would have to be formally on boarded and keep up with all the mandatory HR training modules to get a paycheck or form his own company with high limit insurance to be a vendor which is a non starter.

My division is non union so borrowing someone that is union is also a non starter although I offered to join the union if it would help.

I’m often present 6 out 7 days… even if just checking the steam boilers or cryo tissue bank or making sure all the medical gas is properly turned off…

 

[paulsharvey]

Every private sector company i worked for paid shift differential for unpopular shifts (usually nights/weekends).

PTO for someone in most management (salaried) positions is not worth much. You essentially have to squeeze the work in before you leave and/or get it done after you come back. The true advantage of hourly positions, imo, is that ability to let work stay at work. If you take time off, someone else will pick up the slack.

This is part of the reason why most managers, all the way up to CEO make so much more money. Even when they are off, part of their brain is at work. They also have far less job security than most hourly workers. I did it because I liked the work and I was good at it.

I have always fell into a weird category, not really "field", not "management", not "office". Superintendent years ago, that has supervisory rolls, but is also field, and also some office.

Inspection, when I was with the county, that was 100% in the field, only office I saw was dropping reports/timesheets off on Friday, but they still didnt generally categorize us as "field". Now, current role, they say, it's 80% field, 20% "office", but that's really car office. Even when I temporarily filled a higher position, it was targeted as 80% office, and 20% field work.

But, I agree 100% with the "it's too much work to take a day off" part. You work twice as hard for 2 or 3 days to get stuff ready to take a couple days off; then 2 or 3 days un "F'ing" everything when you get back. It's easier to just go to work. I avoid taking off Friday, cause I still have to do my time sheet, approve others time sheets, do status reports, ect, regardless of being "off" or not. Sure, it's not that much time, but it's the fact that it has to get done by 9am regardless of PTO/vacation or whatever.

On the shift diff; we get nothing extra for nights/weekends/hurricanes, ect, unless you go over 40 hours. Sucks when you do a Sunday night, Monday day, Monday Night, and Tuesday day run; and then they send you home Wednesday/Thursday/Friday.

All that, is just complaining; could be paid by the mile drive, linear foot of pipe installed, or commission. I know a lot of guys that get either a per-diem plus footage, or just straight footage pay. You might make $600 in a day, then $20 the next. Weather really screws them; but at the same time; it screws the owner as well. Probably a better way is min wage, plus production. And, Yes, different roles do normally get a different production price. A driller might get $2/foot, and a laborer might get $0.50/foot.

I should add; only people I know that get a shift diff are medical. Wife gets like $4/hour for nights; and maybe $2.50/hour for weekends; but if I'm not mistaken, that Night pay is only for the portion of a shift from 11p-7a; so not even the full shift gets the added diff.

 

[WinterDeere]

I have often had this convo at work; I'm always down for OT or time off, but what I Hate, is work 16-20 hr, then another 16, then maybe 4, and get sent home. Yeah, great, got your 40, but you don't get anything for the **** hours, crazy sleep schedule (or lack off)

What you get is a solid 4 days off, after running ragged for 3!

I remember one job where I was passing my 40-hour threshold by Wednesday night or Thursday morning, more often than not. I was never directly compensated for those hours, but I did get the biggest raises, bonuses, and fastest promotions among my cohorts. Within 7 years of starting at that place, I was the boss of the more senior guys I started behind, and making roughly double what guys in my starting roll were receiving.

 

[bigtiller]

I have often had this convo at work; I'm always down for OT or time off, but what I Hate, is work 16-20 hr, then another 16, then maybe 4, and get sent home. Yeah, great, got your 40, but you don't get anything for the **** hours, crazy sleep schedule (or lack of)

That does suck, and I know a lot of guys with jobs like that.

My job was different. We got time & half for anything over 8 hr, all Saturdays were time & half, all Sundays were double time and holidays were triple time.

Thank you UAW.