Are tractors and equipment a good investment right now?

[rScotty]

A lot of debate here, with no confirmation the unequal camber is real, and not just an illusion. It'd take less time to park the machine on a level surface to check camber on both sides, to see if one side is really different than the other, than has been spent typing about it here.

I have a pretty good eye for level and plumb, but I'd not trust any of those photos taken at odd angles, to pass any judgement here.

Note to buyer: don't let tire bulge/squash throw off your measurements, unless you're damn sure that's also equal on both sides. Best to cut a length of 2x4 just a bit longer than rim diameter, so you can bench your level or angle finder against the trim, rather than the tire.

Exactly. The difference in vertical angles is obvious in the photos, but it could just as easlily be an artifact of how it is setting or photographed. All is just illusion until it's measured.

BTW, the OP is cross-posting his same messages between this thread and the thread at:

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I've been answering on the other thread; it has same OP info & photos, but less pages & seems more on topic.
rScotty

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I dont see the difference. The photos were taken from different positions. Park it on a level surface. Lift the loader out of the way, and look at it directly head on.
Like I've said. MAJOR damage would have to occur to CASTINGS to cause an actual issue.
This isnt the first time this question has been posted, and in each case, it was an illusion

 

[arrow]

Well apparently it isn't obvious enough that I don't see it in the photo and the buyer didn't notice it while looking it over prior to buying.

Apparently you are the only honest dealer or whatever you do in your state. In my state I have access to and only deal with honest dealers.

So, to answer your question, I'd put it to work and not worry about it.

The buyer was new to tractors and did raise the question.
Easy enough for you to say seeing it’s not your 15 thousand.
An entity can be honest but also incompetent.

 

[arrow]

I dont see the difference. The photos were taken from different positions. Park it on a level surface. Lift the loader out of the way, and look at it directly head on.
Like I've said. MAJOR damage would have to occur to CASTINGS to cause an actual issue.
This isnt the first time this question has been posted, and in each case, it was an illusion

Even if it was an exaggerated toe in causing this geometry, it should have been addressed by the dealer.
I don’t know if it’s real or not but the buyer did raise the question as he saw a differentiation.
That alone warranted further investigation by the dealer.

 

[arrow]

A lot of debate here, with no confirmation the unequal camber is real, and not just an illusion. It'd take less time to park the machine on a level surface to check camber on both sides, to see if one side is really different than the other, than has been spent typing about it here.

I have a pretty good eye for level and plumb, but I'd not trust any of those photos taken at odd angles, to pass any judgement here.

Note to buyer: don't let tire bulge/squash throw off your measurements, unless you're damn sure that's also equal on both sides. Best to cut a length of 2x4 just a bit longer than rim diameter, so you can bench your level or angle finder against the trim, rather than the tire.

Drive to a level surface. Place a carpenters square upright on both sides of the tractor front tires at the middle of the tire and notice any deviation in distance from the square to the tire.
That will check camber.
Most toe in anomalies can also be checked by driving the tractor straight on and measuring from the frame of the tractor. To the tire on both radius’s.. Then see if other tire matches.

 

[arrow]

Sorta difficult to affect camber on a MFWD tractor without creating major and noticeable damage

I’d agree with this assertion over 98% of the time.
Then l met up with a tractor that had a weld separation at its wheel flange kicking out the tire camber and toe in all at the same time depending on the rotation of the tire..
Just sitting there you wouldn’t necessarily spot this break as the tire and wheel assembly covered it up.
Simple procedure of jacking up the front end and removing the tire and there it was. Owner swore he didn't try to pick up a house or anything that heavy and try and walk away with it that it fell off a trailer hard on that side or that he ran into a rock at full speed while mowing grass.
Never had seen the type of weld failure in this area to this day since. I guess anything can happen.

At any rate, if this was spotted by the owner at his house after delivery, before saying it was "normal", we'd send myself or another guy out there to examine the situation and go from there.
That is simply the right thing to do and for the life of me, I don't understand that before making claims of "ah just drive it", we seem to be having such a problem with doing the right thing for the owner and advising an examination. Could be nuttin or could be sumpin which may lead to be dangerous.
I mean what would people prefer: a proclamation based on an assumption, a photo angle, an illusion which can all be true or misdirecting, or a direct examination by the dealership before stating anything along the likes of "all is ok"?
Everyone has to always deal with some type of mechanical misfortune at some point. Crap occurrence seems to have a lot of variations of happenings however.
More prudent to check things out no matter how minor they seem.

 

[Yander]

The buyer was new to tractors and did raise the question.
Easy enough for you to say seeing it’s not your 15 thousand.
An entity can be honest but also incompetent.

Yeah and you're getting a newbie spun up over absolutely nothing. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to get a bunch of attention over nothingness.

He will come back on this site in 2 months and tell us there is not a damn thing wrong with his tractor.

 

[rScotty]

Yeah and you're getting a newbie spun up over absolutely nothing. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to get a bunch of attention over nothingness.

He will come back on this site in 2 months and tell us there is not a damn thing wrong with his tractor.

It seems to me that the point that Arrow is trying to make is not just about this one tractor, or even limited to tractors at all. It's more about his feeling that a good dealer should feel an obligation towards their customers. That works for me.

 

[Yander]

I see very well what Arrow was doing, he was comparing what he believed the other dealer should have done to try and promote himself. Also, it made a new tractor buyer believe he had bought some problems without knowing anything about the tractor. I'll be done with this discussion after this post.

 

[WinterDeere]

I see very well what Arrow was doing, he was comparing what he believed the other dealer should have done to try and promote himself.

Did he mention the name of his business in this claimed promotion? It's hard to promote yourself in any meaningful way, as an anonymous screen name.

I have no idea who arrow is, or where he does business, but I do wish all dealers thought like him.