Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #21  
The tariffs may add some fixed costs to tractors, but that cost will most likely be far less than the decrease resulting from the restoration of American energy independence.

We should be seeing the price of oil drop back below $ 40 per barrel by June, 2025 after the pipelines thru Canada are reopened and drilling is resumed on Federal lands. That will more than cut fuel costs in half, saving much on transportation.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #22  
Most tractor manufacturers assemble their tractors in the USA. I don’t know where the line is drawn on what’s an import and what’s not, but they may do this as a way to circumvent potential tariff wars.
 
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Most tractor manufacturers assemble their tractors in the USA. I don’t know where the line is drawn on what’s an import and what’s not, but they may do this as a way to circumvent potential tariff wars.
Excellent point.

I think current tariffs apply to various components and not others. Batteries come to mind - some electric cars are eligible for rebates and some are not, depending on where the battery is made.

There can also be ways around tariffs by identifying things differently. Years ago I got into a "discussion" with US Customs about leather steering wheel covers. The UK exporter declared them as "leather gloves" (because that's what they call them in Merry England), and Customs was going to charge a 60% duty, because that's what the duty on leather gloves was at the time.

Trying to keep all my profit from slipping away, I said, no, these are steering wheel covers for cars, open a box and you will see that they are actually auto parts, with only a 2% duty. Only the Brits call them gloves, and they drive on the wrong side of the road anyway. (Appeal to patriotism.)

They eventually agreed with me and only charged the 2% auto parts duty. I guess I have an honest face . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #24  
I didn’t hear it was from all imported stuff. I hope that the tariffs would not include stuff imported from our allies. For instance I went with TYM for a scut for what ever reasons and don’t mind S. Korea getting a little of that cash because they are an ally. It benefits both parties.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #25  
so far all navel gazing / academic as who knows what will ACTUALLY be done by our leaders.

The announcement today also indicated tarriffs would be imposed...... "..unless those countries curb the flow of drugs and migrants across their borders".

so no tariffs imposed just an opening salvo fired across the bow as a start of a negotiating process.

I think there is a lot of stuff that should/needs to be negotiated. Across the board tariff creates tit-for-tat that i not supportive of thats for sure.

Cheers
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #26  
The tariffs may add some fixed costs to tractors, but that cost will most likely be far less than the decrease resulting from the restoration of American energy independence.

We should be seeing the price of oil drop back below $ 40 per barrel by June, 2025 after the pipelines thru Canada are reopened and drilling is resumed on Federal lands. That will more than cut fuel costs in half, saving much on transportation.
Wow. Restoring American oil independence? The U.S. has never been energy independent. We are producing more oil and gas today than 5+ years ago. In fact more than ever before and we’re still not energy independent. Federal lands permits are a bogus issue. Most of the high producing oil fields are on state and private lands, not federal. NM and Alaska are the primary states that have significant oil on federal lands, along with the offshore areas in the Gulf of Mexico. Almost all federal lands in NM oil fields have already been leased for years. Alaska has a significant amount of oil on federal lands in the Arctic, but so far there’s not much industry interest in operating in the Arctic because it’s extremely expensive to operate there.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #27  
Most tractor manufacturers assemble their tractors in the USA. I don’t know where the line is drawn on what’s an import and what’s not, but they may do this as a way to circumvent potential tariff wars.
Called planing ahead or what if X happens.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #28  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20%

Why the discussion of 20% tariffs? Looks like Canada and Mexico might get 25%, China 10%.

The president-elect said he would sign an executive order immediately after his inauguration introducing a 25% tariff on all goods coming from Mexico and Canada and a 10% tariff on goods from China.
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What does this mean for us here at TBN?
It means look into your planned purchases of imports for the next 4 years and stock up now if you can. Don't worry.
It will be trickle down economics, and those of us that get trickled on are known as peons.
So - Will you need any of those Chinese mini-ex's? Solar panels? Light fixtures?
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #29  
If you want to discuss tariffs that's fine but leave politics out of it. Any mention of political parties or specific politicians will be removed per forum rules.
1st amendment.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #30  
What ever happened to 'free trade'? I've never seen it yet when comparing prices from the US to Canadian prices. I admit I'm far from financially astute, what am I missing?
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #31  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20% and more on anything imported from anywhere.

What does this mean for us here at TBN?

Unless tractors, accessories, attachments and parts get an exemption ("necessary services" or something), prices of imported tractors are going to go up by at least 20%. If we finance, payments will go up, since the tractors cost more, insurance (if applicable) will also go up.

Prices for used tractors will also go up (as if they aren't high enough already), just like the prices of used cars rose almost in lock-step with the increased prices and limited availability (from Covid) did on new cars.

As tractors become more and more expensive, we will either keep what we have longer or if we are in a business that relies on tractors, we will have to raise our prices when tractors and parts become significantly more expensive. Fewer tractors will be sold, because WE don't get a 20% raise to compensate for the 20% price increase from the tariffs.

Anyone who uses a tractor as a service (land clearing, mowing, etc.) will also have to raise their prices because their costs just increased.

This all means higher prices for lots of people, many of whom don't even realize there is a tractor somewhere in the "food chain" of goods and services they buy.

This affects Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, some John Deere, and others. Deere moved part of their production to Mexico to keep the retail price down, and if they decide to come back, their prices will have to go up.

The issues with across the board tariffs are that they increase the cost of anything imported and WE pay these tariffs, not the manufacturers. Tariffs are a tax on US, and they are intended to discourage us from buying imported things, whether or not those things are even produced or available domestically.

A further problem is that when a domestic manufacturer is protected by arbitrary tariffs, they have ZERO incentive to improve their products (because there is no competition) and their prices can rise (again, because there is no competition). You may recall the "invasion" of Japanese cars in the 80s - Detroit had become totally complacent, and protected by tariffs, continued making and selling the same crappy cars they had been making for years. Eventually, they all went broke and had to be bailed out by the government, using OUR tax dollars to do it. (Yes, they eventually paid back most of the loans, and lots of jobs were saved. We may have to do it again because the current crop of Chinese electric cars are very good indeed, and amazingly inexpensive because they often are subsidized by their government.)

Arbitrary tariffs are a mistake. There is, however a rationale for targeted tariffs. If an overseas company is "dumping" their product at or below cost to put a domestic competitor out of business, that is a legitimate reason for a tariff. Interestingly, if it two domestic companies engage in a price war, there is no law against that, and in fact, it happens all the time.

After WW2, the US was the only real market for anything, nobody else had any money and they were busy rebuilding from the war. Now, however, there are lots of countries that can afford to buy imported stuff, and it might be very tempting to a tractor manufacturer (and not just to tractor manufacturers) to abandon what they see as a "hostile" market and sell to customers around the world instead.

Some of them MAY establish factories here, as Honda and Toyota have done, but some of them are simply going to say the US market just isn't worth the trouble and sell elsewhere. Establishing a local factory isn't done overnight, either.

In the interim, we'll have higher prices (new and used) and a narrower selection.

There is an old Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times." We do.

(Kevlar and fireproof suit on!)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

Have you considered that your taxes may be lower which could offset those increased costs? Part of the reason for collecting tarriffs in the first place is to lower taxes to individuals and corporations.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #32  
The Walmart CEO has already stated that tariffs will be passed on as price increases.
Just like when corporation taxes are increased, they too are passed to the consumer.
Some low information folks still don’t understand that.
 
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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #33  
so given tariffs, will the value of used tractor market increase as well? will be selling mine soon, regards
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #34  
so given tariffs, will the value of used tractor market increase as well? will be selling mine soon, regards

Yes, of course. If new tractor prices go up, used will follow right along. Used tractor dealers aren’t stupid.
Maybe a bit sleazy, but definitely not stupid.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #35  
So - Will you need any of those Chinese mini-ex's? Solar panels? Light fixtures?
There’s already a recently increased tariff on solar panels and solar cells. Like 50%
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #36  
I didn’t hear it was from all imported stuff. I hope that the tariffs would not include stuff imported from our allies. For instance I went with TYM for a scut for what ever reasons and don’t mind S. Korea getting a little of that cash because they are an ally. It benefits both parties.
We have way…too many countries that are considered “allies” , for that to work. Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, Poland, Slovakia…. Just scratching the surface..
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #37  
People often look at a policy proposal in a vacuum. They are never in a vacuum. They are used as leverage for a reason. Most never see the light of day. And some "evil" tariffs are still in place, when different administrations could have removed them.

We live in a society that reads one line headlines, and maybe an opinion piece on a subject, but rarely dive deep into something. Ive seen enough sensationalized news, and the very mundane outcomes, to realize most of it is for show.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #38  
The sales tax in Tennessee on nonexempt purchases is 9.75%. Adding a 20% tariff would make things more expensive to the ordinary consumer.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #39  
My son in particular, is experiencing his first real transfer of power and news cycle regarding "change". His anxiety is through the roof.

I just look at him and say, "you are new here huh?". I feel like after a while, one will become desensitized to the drama presented us by the media, or, succumb to it and swallow it hook, line and sinker.

I'm definitely on the desensitized side 🤣
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #40  
The idea of tariff's is to even the playing field for goods right? With the intent that good ole capitalism will get involved and someone will say... Hey I can make that in the US cheaper, make a profit AND help the US economy.

The reason we often buy goods made in other countries is because our country quit producing them. We as a country couldn't compete with slave/cheap labor and inferior goods. Truthfully not all imported goods are made inferior but you can hardly go a day/week without it coming up about that cheap crap from XYZ country. They make and sell it because people keep buying it.

I prefer to buy things that I believe will last hopefully generations. When I think of good quality I think of say Kitchen Aid assembled in Ohio I think, but the older ones were passed down by generation. Tractors, used to be John Deere was made completely in the US, like so many other generational companies.

Maybe once again these examples of great products will come back to be manufactured in the US and Yep... Make...
 
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