lincmercguy
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Isn't this the first year for them? I never buy a new engine or platform redesign the first year on market
New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine.
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I don't think it is. There have been a few prior posts in this thread, describing this engine has been used in Jeeps for at least two years prior. So, it sounds like this is probably the third year for this engine.
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What does this post have to do with 2025 Ram 1500 just curious?
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Short version: The CEO is to blame for the disaster that the 2025 Ram 1500 is.
Longer version: I think the connection here is that Ram/Dodge/Jeep quality and engineering and even their planned path forward was all dictated by Stellantis and their CEO. The reason these brands have fallen completely off a cliff in sales has a LOT to do with the removal of the tried and true V8 engines, and replacing them with the unreliable "Hurricane" engine family. Now things are so incredibly bad for the company that big changes are rumored to be coming and the CEO being gone means there's a green light for positive change. There are even strong and somewhat credible rumors out there now that a new DOHC V8 "Hemi" engine may be in the works to try and save the brands before they fail.
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Now that's funny disaster ..Maybe USA will bail out Ford and GM again how's that for disaster ? LMAO.. PS see a chit ton of jeeps still on the road can't say they have fallen off any cliff.
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In the US, it is a disaster. When sales are down 42%, way more than other makers, something has to be done. My cousin bought a Ram 3500 because the price was right (below cost), but that doesn't help the companies bottom line if that is how they sell vehicles.
"In North America its revenues collapsed by 42 percent to $13.47 billion because of a fall in sales and price cuts to clear its stock of vehicles."
Sales Slump 27% At Carmaker Stellantis
"In North America its revenues collapsed by 42 percent to $13.47 billion because of a fall in sales and price cuts to clear its stock of vehicles."
Sales Slump 27% At Carmaker Stellantis
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I'm a big fan of the SRT products from Dodge, IMO some of the best vehicles on the road in the last 10 years, and most definitely the best at their price point. I've owned a few, and in fact still have one 6.4L SRT 392 Charger, which is just sublimely fun to drive.
But I've been watching them running full-bore down a dead-end road, with these high-displacement engines the last ten years, and wondering why they don't seem to be planning at all for the emissions requirements that will inevitably dictate their demise.
So, the SRT Charger and Challenger had their 2023 models, but then... nothing. They eventually started development of an EV Hellcat, way too late to coincide with the demise of the ICE version, and they've really done nothing to replace their other "hot" sedans and SUV's. Not being one who even pays much attention to the auto industry news, this just stinks of bad planning, five-plus years ago.
I'm really not sure how they're going to survive, as I can't imagine any reason anyone would ever want to buy a small-displacement Dodge vehicle. Even if less terrible than one would assume, they haven't done much with their marketing to convince anyone other than those who just blindly follow a label, that they're even in the game. Put otherwise, if I'm stuck driving sedan with a tiny 4-cylinder turbo engine, it'll probably say Audi or BMW on the trunk lid, not Dodge.
But I've been watching them running full-bore down a dead-end road, with these high-displacement engines the last ten years, and wondering why they don't seem to be planning at all for the emissions requirements that will inevitably dictate their demise.
So, the SRT Charger and Challenger had their 2023 models, but then... nothing. They eventually started development of an EV Hellcat, way too late to coincide with the demise of the ICE version, and they've really done nothing to replace their other "hot" sedans and SUV's. Not being one who even pays much attention to the auto industry news, this just stinks of bad planning, five-plus years ago.
I'm really not sure how they're going to survive, as I can't imagine any reason anyone would ever want to buy a small-displacement Dodge vehicle. Even if less terrible than one would assume, they haven't done much with their marketing to convince anyone other than those who just blindly follow a label, that they're even in the game. Put otherwise, if I'm stuck driving sedan with a tiny 4-cylinder turbo engine, it'll probably say Audi or BMW on the trunk lid, not Dodge.
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But adding a turbo requires more fuel (at higher output). Isn’t your statement skewed.
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Okay, yes... his statement has a flaw, if you let the grammar police have at it. But I think we can assume he's talking about the old displacement versus turbo debate, and the cold hard fact that, over the full range of driving requirements, a turbo on a smaller displacement can achieve similar peak horsepower with less average fuel usage.
