Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #381  
It appears we are soon going to have tariffs of 20% and more on anything imported from anywhere.

What does this mean for us here at TBN?

Unless tractors, accessories, attachments and parts get an exemption ("necessary services" or something), prices of imported tractors are going to go up by at least 20%. If we finance, payments will go up, since the tractors cost more, insurance (if applicable) will also go up.

Prices for used tractors will also go up (as if they aren't high enough already), just like the prices of used cars rose almost in lock-step with the increased prices and limited availability (from Covid) did on new cars.

As tractors become more and more expensive, we will either keep what we have longer or if we are in a business that relies on tractors, we will have to raise our prices when tractors and parts become significantly more expensive. Fewer tractors will be sold, because WE don't get a 20% raise to compensate for the 20% price increase from the tariffs.

Anyone who uses a tractor as a service (land clearing, mowing, etc.) will also have to raise their prices because their costs just increased.

This all means higher prices for lots of people, many of whom don't even realize there is a tractor somewhere in the "food chain" of goods and services they buy.

This affects Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, some John Deere, and others. Deere moved part of their production to Mexico to keep the retail price down, and if they decide to come back, their prices will have to go up.

The issues with across the board tariffs are that they increase the cost of anything imported and WE pay these tariffs, not the manufacturers. Tariffs are a tax on US, and they are intended to discourage us from buying imported things, whether or not those things are even produced or available domestically.

A further problem is that when a domestic manufacturer is protected by arbitrary tariffs, they have ZERO incentive to improve their products (because there is no competition) and their prices can rise (again, because there is no competition). You may recall the "invasion" of Japanese cars in the 80s - Detroit had become totally complacent, and protected by tariffs, continued making and selling the same crappy cars they had been making for years. Eventually, they all went broke and had to be bailed out by the government, using OUR tax dollars to do it. (Yes, they eventually paid back most of the loans, and lots of jobs were saved. We may have to do it again because the current crop of Chinese electric cars are very good indeed, and amazingly inexpensive because they often are subsidized by their government.)

Arbitrary tariffs are a mistake. There is, however a rationale for targeted tariffs. If an overseas company is "dumping" their product at or below cost to put a domestic competitor out of business, that is a legitimate reason for a tariff. Interestingly, if it two domestic companies engage in a price war, there is no law against that, and in fact, it happens all the time.

After WW2, the US was the only real market for anything, nobody else had any money and they were busy rebuilding from the war. Now, however, there are lots of countries that can afford to buy imported stuff, and it might be very tempting to a tractor manufacturer (and not just to tractor manufacturers) to abandon what they see as a "hostile" market and sell to customers around the world instead.

Some of them MAY establish factories here, as Honda and Toyota have done, but some of them are simply going to say the US market just isn't worth the trouble and sell elsewhere. Establishing a local factory isn't done overnight, either.

In the interim, we'll have higher prices (new and used) and a narrower selection.

There is an old Chinese curse - "May you live in interesting times." We do.

(Kevlar and fireproof suit on!)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
Would suggest 2 things: 1. If we're only getting our 'news' from mainstream sources we might wanna listen/read some of the other (more) credible sources. 2. We've already seen - before Trump has even taken office again - how just the THREAT of tariffs has already spurred some action from foreign players (e.g. the Mexican President agreeing to halt illegals coming here thru her country; and what is looking more and more like the BRIC community is backing off threats to drop the US Dollar as their trading currency due to Trump's threat to impart a 100% tariff on all of their products coming here. For those who wonder if China were to tell Trump to "pound sand . . .", please consider that other Asian countries (e.g. Viet Nam, Thailand, Malaysia) are more than willing and capable of taking over producing much of what China is selling us; plus the fact that China is currently having a rough row to hoe with their economy, "tofu dreg" construction projects, etc., so the spectre of not being able to sell as much here as they've gotten used to selling is probably more than they can bear. My point is we need to wait and see if any tariffs are really necessary/implemented before we start worrying/planning for the worst.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #382  
Would suggest 2 things: 1. If we're only getting our 'news' from mainstream sources we might wanna listen/read some of the other (more) credible sources.
very good post....and it also points out that the "undermine Trump news" is loaded with narration against anything Trump. When has it not been?

It seems that the thread was started based on slanted headlines and a narration? .....when the details and thought process (from much smarter people) is actually a lot closer to common sense and reason when bias is pulled out of the argument.

The country needs some fixin. I am perfectly happy that someone is willing to take that on. Status quo people are nervous, but many American citizens feel it's about time they get represented locally ......and I am just an old guy with some hope for my kids/grand-kids.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #384  
What's mind boggling is how far and how fast the national debt has exploded since 2008 with no plan to fix it until finally after the election there may be some momentum to try to rein in government.

The effort to personally vilify and/or keep others out of the race entirely may have been a campaign strategy to make the opponents unelectable because the incumbants knew they didn't want to face the real issues.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #385  
I'm actually happy to see people on both sides supporting DOGE, to reign in waste.

There are actually people out there who are seeking to work with the new administration on the things they share in common, and that is nice to see.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #386  
I'm actually happy to see people on both sides supporting DOGE, to reign in waste.

There are actually people out there who are seeking to work with the new administration on the things they share in common, and that is nice to see.
DOGE is a ridiculous concept; it's self-contradictory, replicating what already exists.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #387  
DOGE is a ridiculous concept; it's self-contradictory, replicating what already exists.
Congress is the branch responsible for aligning programs and funding. Any suggestions from the executive branch need to align.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #388  
DOGE is a ridiculous concept; it's self-contradictory, replicating what already exists.
Congress is the branch responsible for aligning programs and funding. Any suggestions from the executive branch need to align.

Well it sure as heck hasn't been implemented. Every single government bureaucracy has just continued to grow and steal power from the Citizens. Every single one needs to have at least half to two thirds of it high end staff remove / fired / terminated and their budgets for man power reduced.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #389  
For decades..."assembled in the USA" has applied to Kubota. CAT, GM, Ford, Chrsyler (Dodge/Ram/Fiat/Stellantis...whatever their name is this week), Cummins, etc. are assemblers of non-USA manufactured parts. Toyota Camry has highest percentage of USA manufactured parts.
All or nearly all of Ford wiring harnesses are assembled in Mexico.
For decades John Deere has exported grain harvesting equipment and crop sprayers to the World, particularly to Ukraine and Russia. JD imports most of its farm tractors. Baltimore and Savannah seaports have hundreds of them fresh off the "boat".
We live in a World economy. NAFTA (Bill Clinton) promoted USA manufacturing to move to Mexico. I trucked many a load of production machinery to Laredo to be exported to Mexico.
Over the years, Mexico became to high priced, some manufacturing moved to South America, then to Asia.
Asia built new machinery and ultra modern facilities. A lot of their investment was backed by their governments. Nearly every manufacturer in China is majority owned by the Chinese Communist Party. They operate by the blessing of "the Party". Workers live, eat, get educated, and work within walking distance of their employer.
China owns nearly all drill bit manufacturers in the USA. They operate under familiar USA names, dig enough and China owned is there.
Never worry about Wal*Mart not making a profit on anything they sell. They build in their profit margin on everything they buy from suppliers. You sell to them at their price or you don't sell to Wal*Mart. Drive around back of your local store after Halloween and check out all the containers of Christmas items. Tons of crap, probably a lot of left over from the previous years. I used to laugh at the Wal*Mart trucks and trailers when the had the "made in USA" mudflaps...yes, the plastic mudflaps were probably made in the USA. The trucks and trailers were rolling on tires made outside of USA, as were a lot of the parts used in the assembly of the trucks and trailers. Nowadays they hire flip flop/sweat pant drivers to deliver to their distribution centers. All "so,so proper" Wal*Mart drivers to deliver to the stores from the distribution centers. It's all smoke and mirrors.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #391  
Want to get rich quick ? Get a elected political position.
Want the best benefits without much work ? Go to work for your local government. PennDOT workers depend on the support their shovels give them by leaning on them. Plow snow after the storm is over.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #393  
Well it sure as heck hasn't been implemented. Every single government bureaucracy has just continued to grow and steal power from the Citizens. Every single one needs to have at least half to two thirds of it high end staff remove / fired / terminated and their budgets for man power reduced.
We all have opinions about what should be funded and what should not. But Congress holds the purse and decides what agencies will do with the amount they allocate. And it boils down to local politics for what they fund. The executive branch only executes the programs that Congress authorizes and funds. The constitution separates those responsibilities and authorities; we have a president, not a king. Agencies staff to the level needed do the work that Congress directs and funds. It all starts and ends with congress.
 
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I mean, the DOD hasn't passed an audit in how many years? Sounds like the government isn't great at being accountable. We can probably do away with a lot of Federal jobs. Twitter didn't need 90% of them... We can probably afford to raise unemployment for federal workers
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #396  
Tariffs... a favorite tool of tyrants throughout history, which is simply a tax on the citizens, paid for by the instant inflation, yet offering a degree of separation so that the sheeple never associate it with the tyrant, but always somebody else. And they never work as planned, except for the tax part, which always works. Again, when the government says that it's for the good of the people, the lie every tyranny uses for control, always know that it isn't, but only for the good of the government and the elites running it.
so what is competitive about 28% corporate tax. Heck its not even competitive bc china dictates who pays 20% and Taiwan its 15%, now add in regulations here in the states (which costs more money) and our workforce as its more expensive. I see a tyrannical crap at work with this system. As we all know we the consumer in the end pay for all those things i mentioned. Those things are also the reason why companies move out of the US. The goal is to keep companies and bring them back. Oddly the left think more corpoartat taxes is the answer It is not
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #397  
DOGE is a ridiculous concept; it's self-contradictory, replicating what already exists.
So there is no government waste because Congress assures you that? Seems that is rather "ridiculous"

so maybe the "concept" of exposing the books (transparency) just might be good for citizens who pay taxes and want to know if government is milking them. Soon to be 37 trillion in debt. Right now you owe them $107,103.00. Hows that "replicating" working
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #398  
We all have opinions about what should be funded and what should not. But Congress holds the purse and decides what agencies will do with the amount they allocate. And it boils down to local politics for what they fund. The executive branch only executes the programs that Congress authorizes and funds. The constitution separates those responsibilities and authorities; we have a president, not a king. Agencies staff to the level needed do the work that Congress directs and funds. It all starts and ends with congress.
Bull crap, bureaucracies and bureaucrats do not exist for the purpose that they were started;

Now and for the last 20 years (at least) all they have done is grab power for themselves and strive to make themselves the ruling political branch while being non-elected power tripping idiots.
Every thing they do is to grow their hold on and over the populous that needs to remove their worthless carcasses with their over bearing "rules" and regulations that they do not have the legal power to propagate but they continue to do so.
The individuals who try to stand up against these illegal offices and officers have to fight against taxpayer funded big money lawyers out of their own pockets and then it will be dragged out for years in the courts as the bureaucracies are well funded by tax dollars and have no concern about the march of time draining any opposition.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #399  
Bull crap, bureaucracies and bureaucrats do not exist for the purpose that they were started;

Now and for the last 20 years (at least) all they have done is grab power for themselves and strive to make themselves the ruling political branch while being non-elected power tripping idiots.
Every thing they do is to grow their hold on and over the populous that needs to remove their worthless carcasses with their over bearing "rules" and regulations that they do not have the legal power to propagate but they continue to do so.
The individuals who try to stand up against these illegal offices and officers have to fight against taxpayer funded big money lawyers out of their own pockets and then it will be dragged out for years in the courts as the bureaucracies are well funded by tax dollars and have no concern about the march of time draining any opposition.
This is all good stuff. We are all blessed to be Americans....aren't we.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #400  
Bull crap, bureaucracies and bureaucrats do not exist for the purpose that they were started;

Now and for the last 20 years (at least) all they have done is grab power for themselves and strive to make themselves the ruling political branch while being non-elected power tripping idiots.
Every thing they do is to grow their hold on and over the populous that needs to remove their worthless carcasses with their over bearing "rules" and regulations that they do not have the legal power to propagate but they continue to do so.
The individuals who try to stand up against these illegal offices and officers have to fight against taxpayer funded big money lawyers out of their own pockets and then it will be dragged out for years in the courts as the bureaucracies are well funded by tax dollars and have no concern about the march of time draining any opposition.
Everyone has an opinion. The facts are that Congress totally controls agency funding, mission, accountability, and accomplishments. There’s nothing illegal about an agency executing the missions that Congress has directed by law. And when/if there is an overstepping of authority, the courts typically remedy the situation, and/or Congress deals with it. There are plenty of successful court challenges that rescind agency decisions. But the facts are that there are legal requirements established by Congress for any rule making and all are published daily in the federal register. Nothing is developed without the legal processes directed by laws established by Congress. Don’t believe the people who state otherwise; they don’t know what they’re talking about. Agencies operate to execute laws passed by congress.
 
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