Diesel today

   / Diesel today #91  
You don't really want $2/gal gad, as a country. We need a stable full price, that businesses can factor in, while making oil companies enough profit to continue drilling/pumping/exploring/investing.
Do you know what price they need to charge per gallon to make drilling worth it? I don’t. For all we know, they may make lots of money at $40/barrel.
I know they won’t ever tell us, too.


Honestly, I think stable $2.75-3.25/gal is about what the market likes.
Until you get the bill for 4,000 gallons.
The $2-$2.50 seems way better.
 
   / Diesel today #92  
The shale oil frackers say that they cannot economically operate when the crude price per barrel is less than $58. And the largest oil field (Permian Basin) is shale bedrock. Producers are not going to increase production to the extent that it drives crude prices below profitability.
But that is only one type of oil production. There’s others that could be far cheaper.
Besides, who would ever divulge what price point they become profitable?
Unlike the gubmit who doesn’t have to show profit, private companies have internal numbers on profitability they keep secret.
 
   / Diesel today #93  
Do you know what price they need to charge per gallon to make drilling worth it? I don’t. For all we know, they may make lots of money at $40/barrel.
I know they won’t ever tell us, too.



Until you get the bill for 4,000 gallons.
The $2-$2.50 seems way better.
I don't really disagree, on a micro economic scale, but on a macro, stabile prices are more important than low prices.

I know guys that won continuing service contracts, at $2.25 gas/$2.75 diesel; and had no price escalations built in, at $4.50 diesel. They were loosing their butt's, and some of these are 3 year contracts.

For an average American, driving 12,000 miles per year, at $3.00/gal, getting a moderate 25 mph, 480 gal per year=$1440; vs $3.50/gal=$1680. Thats $240/year difference.

It's big effects are also regional; let oil go sub $50/barrel, and drive around Louisiana/Mississippi, and you will see the affects. If you drive through NY, it's probably the opposite effect.

What I never understood, the folks that Really focus on MPG are often the folks driving the least. If you have a 5 mile commute to work, it doesn't matter if you have an 8.1L Vortex getting 8 mph, or a Prius getting 45 mph, gas doesn't even show up on your budget.

Edit: my mom for instance was talking about getting a hybrid, and the great milage. She drives about 5000 miles per year now that she's retired. Same with a lot of people in larger metros, gas isn't even in their top 5 expenses. For a lot of rural guys, gad may be in the 2nd or 3rd overall expense...
 
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   / Diesel today #94  
In the large volume side; and yes it's a 1 of 1...
I was building a trailer shop for a medium sized local freight company (200 tractors, 400 refer trailers, hauling SE US, mostly groceries, or meat to processing and meat to ship yard in Jax). Owner of our construction company was BSing with owner of trucking company about fuel prices (this was late 2008, so gas was $4.09), and the trucking company said "actually high fuel is good for us, we can factor it into our rates, and surcharge. I've got 20 guys that track every cent per mile. What high fuel does is drive the small time guy out, who doesn't know what it costs, and just drives and hopes to make money"
 
   / Diesel today #95  
But that is only one type of oil production. There’s others that could be far cheaper.
Besides, who would ever divulge what price point they become profitable?
Unlike the gubmit who doesn’t have to show profit, private companies have internal numbers on profitability they keep secret.
Only one type of oil production for sure. But the largest oil field in the world and where most U.S. oil is produced. It’s been published in oil journals that $58 is the median price where shale oil production is profitable. Nothing about the gobment. Individual companies have higher or lower price points for profitability, but on average when west Texas crude prices fall below $58/barrel, the drillers start packing it up.

Some reading on this topic:

 
   / Diesel today #96  
$4.99 diesel today at Chevron San Ramon…
 
   / Diesel today #98  
You guys in CA are getting screwed.
In more ways than one… maybe why 800,000 out migration?

High fuel cost, insurance cancelation and hefty taxes explain a lot of it without even touching on crime.
 
   / Diesel today #100  
Hey… the price just dropped
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